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12-01-2010
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Waarom hebben we de reeks over Medjugorje gepubliceerd? Omdat we lijden aan een vorm van hakenkruisfetichisme of geloven in duistere complottheorieên van duistere organisaties? Wees gerust, zo functioneren we niet. Omdat we een hekel hebben aan de kerk en aan de katholike godsdienst? Evenmin, want we weten maar al te goed dat er heel wat gelovigen, in alle godsdiensten trouwens, doodbrave en eerlijke mensen zijn op zoek naar een waarheid en naar waarden waarop ze hun leven kunnen richten. En we hebben altijd liever een gelovige persoon dan iemand die alleen in zijn eigen grote gelijk gelooft. Wees daar maar van overtuigd! Maar we hebben een bloedhekel aan het krapuul dat de goedgelovigheid van de medemensen uitbuit in zijn eigen voordeel. Het krapuul dat zelfs bereid is daarvoor andere mensen fysisch te liquideren om daarna te grossieren in grote waarden. En we hebben eveneens het schijt aan theorieën die beweren dat er slechts één godsdienst blijkbaar gewelddadige aspecten vertoont. In de huidige tijd heet dat dan de islam te zijn. Wel wij geloven dat in alle godsdiensten de nodige fanatici en de nodige smerige opportunistjes zitten die misbruik maken van de goedgelovigheid van hun medegelovigen. Maar dat er eveneens in elke godsdienst een meerderheid echte goeie gelovigen zitten en dat er in elke godsdienst een grote dosis kristische massa aanwezig is om weerwerk te bieden aan de fanatieke imbecielen. Laat ons in elk geval meteen ophouden met alle schuld in de schoenen van de zelfden te schuiven. Die zelfden zijn dan makkelijk te identificeren fanatiekers ergens in afgelegen gebieden die vervolgens model staan voor hun ganse religie. Dat we hier vlak bij onze eigen voordeur net zulke fanatieke bietekwieten hebben die onze eigen bu!ren zo gek krijgen om op bedevaart te vertrekken naar oorden waar Maria en eventueel alle heiligen op elk belsignaal verschijnen en de gekste uitspraken doen om vervolgens te logeren bij clanhoofden die nogal wat bloed aan hun vrome vingertjes hebben...daarvoor blijken we een enorme blinde vlek te hebben ontwikkeld. Want zo barbaars zijn wij "beschaafde westerlingen" toch niet? We zo barbaars zijn we dus wel degelijk zoals elk mensenkind waar ook geboren in bepaalde omstandigheden kan worden als het recht van de sterkste zegeviert. En dan maar lallen en brallen over te veel staat en te veel inmenging. Laat ons meteen zeer duidelijk zijn: er is niet genoeg staat en daar begint het schoentje overal te wringen. Daar waar het staatsgezag ineenstort, en er zijn voorbeelden genoeg laten we er maar enkelen opsommen: Kongo, Somalië, Jemen, Afghanistan...daar heerst de wet van de sterkste. Deze wet komt neer op de wet van bloeddorstige clanhoofden, warlords of hoie ze ook mogen heten. En dat men ons dus niet meer komt vertellen dat Europa daarvan gevrijwaard is en zal blijven. lees het volgende artikel er maar eens op na en herlees dan netjes de voorgaande lijntjes...en morgen gaan we verder met onze geliefde franciskanen en hoe deze zelfs frauderende en oorlogszuchtige banken oprichten die aan staasondermijnende projecten meewerken en het leven van talrijke onschuldige medeburgers in gevaar brengen. Maar eerst naar Calabrië, toch ook niet meteen een ruig bergoord ergens in de buurt van de Himalaya... en lees vooral de laatste paragrafen...


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Zware rassenrellen in Calabrië

  • zaterdag 09 januari 2010

  • Auteur: Ine Roox
Opstand in Rosarno: woedende zwarte immigranten staan oog in oog met de Italiaanse politie.ap

Opstand in Rosarno: woedende zwarte immigranten staan oog in oog met de Italiaanse politie.ap

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Stadsguerrilla tussen zwarten en Italianen in maffiagebied — BRUSSEL - In de kleine provinciestad Rosarno, in het Zuid-Italiaanse Calabrië, zijn duizenden woedende zwarte immigranten in opstand gekomen tegen wat zij het racisme van de Italianen noemen. Er vielen zeker 34 gewonden.

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In Rosarno, een Calabrees stadje met zo'n 15.000 inwoners, was gisteren tot een stuk in de middag de spanning te snijden. Een grote betoging van honderden woedende zwarte immigranten, die donderdagnacht in gewelddadige rellen was uitgelopen, werd vrijdagochtend beantwoord met een tegenbetoging van de Italiaanse bewoners van Rosarno. Die zetten een tijdlang ook de autosnelweg rond Rosarno af, en droegen onder meer slogans met zich mee als 'Zij moeten vertrekken'.

De woedende Afrikaanse immigranten reageerden op een aanval van enkele jonge Italianen tegen een groepje zwarte arbeiders, die na hun werkdag op de akkers rond Rosarno terugwandelden naar huis. De Italianen verwondden de Afrikanen door hen met een luchtdrukgeweer te beschieten.

Dat voor de Afrikanen overduidelijk racistische incident ontketende in Rosarno donderdagnacht een ware stadsguerrilla, van een niveau dat Italië al jaren niet meer had meegemaakt. Er vielen zeker 34 gewonden, auto's en vuilnisbakken werden in brand gestoken, winkelramen werden ingegooid, en vrijdagochtend bleven de meeste winkels en scholen in Rosarno dicht. Eén Italiaan schoot vanop zijn balkon enkele keren in de lucht, om de woedende Afrikanen uit elkaar te drijven. Volgens de politie probeerden enkele Italianen gisteren ook om Afrikanen met de auto omver te rijden. De politie verrichtte zeven arrestaties.

De slogans waren aan beide kanten extreem. De Afrikanen droegen slogans mee als 'Italianen zijn racisten' en 'Wij zijn geen beesten'. Het antwoord van de Italianen luidde 'Zij moeten vertrekken.'

Zij, dat slaat op de duizenden Afrikaanse seizoenarbeiders in Rosarno. Jaarlijks komen ze naar Zuid-Italië om voor een hongerloon de tomaten- en sinaasappeloogst binnen te halen.

Calabrië ligt in het veel armere zuiden van Italië, dat onder een hoge werkloosheid kreunt. Toch zijn maar weinig Italianen kandidaat voor de harde arbeid op het veld. Sinds 1992 worden de tomaten en het fruit door Afrikaanse handen geplukt.

De overheid stelt elk jaar quota in voor de seizoensarbeid. Maar in Calabrië overtreft het aantal clandestiene seizoenswerkers ruimschoots de reguliere arbeiders. In 2007 mocht de regio 6.400 seizoenarbeiders inzetten. In werkelijkheid waren dat jaar alleen al in Calabrië 20.000 Afrikaanse arbeiders aan de slag. Het zijn allemaal mannen, vaak jonger dan dertig.

Volgens La Repubblica betrekken ze in Rosarno verlaten fabriekspanden. Ze slapen in versleten en gedemonteerde auto's, met enkel een zeil als beschutting, of ze overnachten in opengebroken cilinders waar ooit olijfolie in werd bewaard. Er is geen sanitair of stromend water, en het krioelt van het vuil en de muizen.

De reactie van Roberto Maroni, minister van Binnenlandse Zaken, op de rellen in Rosarno was niet meteen van aard om de verhitte gemoederen te bedaren. 'We hebben veel te lang de illegale immigratie getolereerd, en dit is het gevolg', zei Maroni, lid van de Lega Nord, de partij die zich profileert met harde anti-immigratiestandpunten.

Don Pino De Masi, de vicaris van Rosarno, volgde de rellen in zijn stad van nabij: 'Dit is geen stad van racisten', benadrukte don De Masi gisteravond telefonisch vanuit Rosarno. 'De Afrikanen overleven in krotten, in omstandigheden die je je haast niet kunt voorstellen. Veel Italianen helpen waar ze kunnen. Maar solidariteit houdt ergens op. Deze uitbarsting is vooral het gevolg van een totale afwezigheid van de lokale en de nationale overheid.'

'Bovendien is dit maffiaterritorium. De 'ndrangheta controleert de mensenhandel, bepaalt de lonen van deze illegalen, en dwingt hen om een stuk van hun hongerloon af te staan. Twaalf tot veertien uur arbeid per dag levert hooguit twintig euro op, waarvan vijf euro naar de maffia gaat.'

'De staat is hier niet aanwezig, maar de maffia wel. Een uitbarsting van frustratie, door Afrikanen of door Italianen, hoeft dan ook niet te verbazen.'



en zoals we hierboven reeds vertelden hebben we geen hekel aan de kerk, als ze tenminste haar werk en haar opdracht ter harte neemt en tenminste in overeenstemming is met één van haar voornaamste beginselen namelijk dat voor god iedereen gelijk is...en hier doet ze dat dus wel degelijk en gebruikt ze haar morele autoriteit zoals het hoort en dan mag dat ook wel gezegd worden. Want in Calabrië zal men de pauselijke boodschap in sommige katholieke milieus niet graag horen maar dan is dat maar zo en dan kan er zeer duidelijk gezegd worden dat sommige dingen niet kunnen volgens de katholieke waarden vooraleer men ook daar volledig afglijdt naar de wet van de sterkste die daar toch al wat decennia de plak zwaait. En waar er trouwens niet eens zo ver uit de buurt bepaalde "volksheiligen" zoals Padre Pio, inmiddels ook tot volwaardige heilige uitgeroepen, zeer goed uitgeruste bedevaartsoorden hebben die daar uit de grond werden gestampt op een paar jaren tijd. Hoe dit allemaal gefinancierd werd zouden we ook in alle transparantie eens willen uitgelegd krijgen. Maar daarvoor zal er meer dan een wonder nodig zijn. Inmiddels trekkken ook daar miljoenen gelovigen naartoe en gelukkig is er daarvoor geen ethnische zuivering nodige geweest zoals in Medjugorje. Wel heeft het erg lang geduurd vooraleer de officiële kerk Padre Pio heeft willen erkennen maar onder druk van de enorme voàlksdevotie heeft men tenslotte het hoofd gebogen. Er bestaan genoeg bewijzen dat de Padre Pio weliswaar een gelovige monnik was die waarschijnlijk nooit zulk bedevaartsoord zou gewild hebben maar dat hij ook een soort zwendelaar was met stigmata die hij zelf aanbracht...maar dat is een ander verhaal waarover we het nu niet zullen hebben. Onthou alleen dat bedevaarten sinds de prille Middeleeuwen welstand en rijkdom opleverden voor de plaatsen waar ze plaats vonden en dat is nog steeds niet veranderd ondanks alle zogezegde beschavingslaagjes die we ondertussen hebben gekregen. Veel verschil tussen Middeleeuwen en Moderne tijden merken we op dat vlak niet en als we sommige gekken loslaten komen de kruisvaarten er ook meteen aan...

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Paus stelt rellen in Calabrië aan de kaak

  • maandag 11 januari 2010

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VATICAANSTAD (AP, AFP) - De Italiaanse justitie opent een onderzoek naar de eventuele betrokkenheid van de maffia bij de rellen.

Paus Benedictus heeft de rellen tussen immigranten en Italianen in de Zuid-Italiaanse stad Rosarno aan de kaak gesteld. Hij zei dat ook ‘immigranten rechten hebben en gerespecteerd moeten worden'.

Afgelopen week vonden er in Rosarno rellen plaats tussen immigranten en de Italiaanse bevolking, nadat twee buitenlanders gewond waren geraakt bij een schietpartij. ‘Elke immigrant is een mens, verschillend vanwege herkomst, cultuur of traditie, maar een mens die gerespecteerd moet worden en rechten heeft, in het bijzonder in een werksituatie, waar de verleiding tot uitbuiting groot is', aldus de paus.

Ruim duizend Afrikaanse migranten hebben Rosarno intussen verlaten. Nu de rust is teruggekeerd, opent de Italiaanse justitie een onderzoek naar de eventuele betrokkenheid van de maffia bij de rellen. ‘Er zijn onderzoeken bezig', verklaarde minister van Binnenlandse Zaken Roberto Maroni aan de televisiezender Sky TG24 in een reactie op het geweld in Rosarno. Maroni gaf ook kritiek op de lokale autoriteiten, de werkgevers die immigranten tewerkstellen en de werkgeversorganisaties, omdat zij de situatie lieten ontsporen. Ze betaalden namelijk veel te lage lonen en boden de buitenlanders ongezonde verblijfplaatsen aan. Hij zei dat het zo tot het ‘een algemeen probleem' is geworden, waarbij de ordediensten moesten ingrijpen.

‘Het zijn zeker de mannen van de ‘Ndrangheta die op de immigranten schoten om te tonen wie het gebied controleert', zei Alberto Cisterna, een magistraat van het nationale antimaffiaparket.

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11-01-2010
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op de RAI zie je natuurlijk alleen maar blonde vampen met enorme decolletés...maar verder is dit natuurlijk de beschaafde wereld...en eten wij zo graag die lekkere Italiaanse tomaten...

Steun vooral Artsen zonder Grenzen die overal goed werk leveren!

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10-01-2010
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Klik hier om een link te hebben waarmee u dit artikel later terug kunt lezen.en dan nu op bedevaart naar Medjugorje! Laat ons maar meteen kotsen!
als jullie nu zeer aandachtig het voorgaande hebben gelezen namelijk de studie van socioloog Mart Bax dan gaan we nu op zoek naar een organisatie die ons naar dit "oord van vrede" wil brengen...en we vonden een Ollandse vereniging die hierin al jaren blijkt gespecialiseerd te zijn. Lees vooral de "deskundige" uitleg op hun site en let vooral op de namen van de pensions waar de bedevaarders zullen gelogeerd worden. Indien de familienamen jullie niks meer zouden zeggen, herlees dan maar eens vlug Mart Bax over de "rocketeers" van Medjugorje en over de rivaliserende clans die mekaar hebben uitgemoord en niet alleen mekaar maar ook Serviêrs en Moslims...de Ostojic's, eigenaars van de pensions, zijn echt vrome mensen!
En vergeet ook niet de uitstap te maken naar "de zwaar getroffen parochies van de Franciskanen" (lees ook even terug Mart Bax over de plaatsen waar deze zwaar getroffen parochies zich bevinden!) en naar Siroki Brijeg waar onze geliefde pater Zovko helaas wat rust neemt maar waar "30 Franciskanen hun leven gaven voor hun geloof" en waar je dan ook kan bidden op hun graf...(Ter herinnering we zijn wel degelijk in 2010!)
ZUM KOTSEN!


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NAAR MEDJUGORJE MET DE STICHTING MEDJUGORJE BEDEVAARTEN


Stichting Medjugorje Bedevaarten
Theo van den Heuvel (voorzitter en tevens één van de reisleiders)
Ridder 25
5282 GE Boxtel
Tel. 0411-601565.
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HOEZO MEDJUGORJE?

Miljoenen en miljoenen mensen in de hele wereld geloven dat Maria, de Moeder van Jezus én onze Moeder, sinds 25 juni 1981 is verschenen aan zes jongeren.
Die verschijningen zijn nog steeds niet afgelopen: de zieners Vicka, Ivan en Marija zien de Koningin van de Vrede nog dagelijks, terwijl Ivanka en Jakov haar nog slechts één keer per jaar mogen aanschouwen.
De zieneres Mirjana ziet de Koningin van de Vrede elk jaar op 18 maart en vaak ook op de tweede van elke maand. Moeder Maria nodigt de pelgrims praktisch altijd uit om daarbij aanwezig te zijn.

Zeer veel mensen uit alle werelddelen willen zelf naar Medjugorje gaan, gelovig, kritisch of anderszins. Ongeveer veertig miljoen pelgrims zijn er al geweest, en vaak meerdere malen, want Medjugorje is een weldaad voor ieder die zijn hart open stelt voor Gods genade.

WACHT NIET OP ERKENNING
De verschijningen in Medjugorje zijn weliswaar nog niet door de rooms-katholieke Kerk erkend, maar Medjugorje heeft van diezelfde Kerk al wel de status van bedevaartsoord gekregen. In Lourdes heeft men destijds vier jaar op erkenning van de verschijningen moeten wachten en in Fatima dertien jaar. De goede God en Moeder Maria zullen het niet erg gevonden hebben dat de pelgrims zich daardoor niet hebben laten weerhouden, maar van het begin af aan in groten getale toestroomden.

GOEDE VRUCHTEN
Jezus heeft zelf gezegd, dat een goede boom goede vruchten voortbrengt. Zelfs de meest kritische personen kunnen niet ontkennen dat de vruchten in Medjugorje onmiskenbaar goed zijn én zeer talrijk! In Medjugorje wordt ons rijke geloof nog echt gevierd en beleefd!



WAAROM MET ONZE STICHTING
Onze Stichting Medjugorje Bedevaarten werd op 23 februari 1990 opgericht mede door de Stichting Vriendenkring Medjugorje Nederland als vervolg op een succesvol particulier initiatief. Sindsdien heeft zij al vele tientallen bedevaarten per vliegtuig georganiseerd. Zij maakt daarbij gebruik van haar grote ervaring en van de prima contacten met de bevolking van Medjugorje en omgeving. Daarom is onze Stichting de aangewezen organisatie om uw bedevaart naar Medjugorje tot in de puntjes te regelen.

BEGIN OP SCHIPHOL
Onze vliegbedevaarten beginnen op de luchthaven Schiphol. U hoort van ons, hoe u daar kunt komen en waar u precies moet zijn. En natuurlijk laten we u ook weten, waar u uw medepelgrims zult ontmoeten, zodat u samen verder kunt gaan. U ontvangt tijdig uw vliegticket. Indien mogelijk is er vóór het vertrek in een gebedsruimte van de luchthaven een Eucharistieviering voor onze pelgrims.

REISLEIDING
Stichting Medjugorje Bedevaarten organiseert een aantal bedevaarten die begeleid worden door een priester en een ervaren reisleider.(Meestal de heer Theo van den Heuvel)
Bij kleinere groepen zal dat niet altijd mogelijk zijn, omdat priesters en reisleiders soms moeilijk te vinden zijn. Maar ook voor die kleinere groepen en voor individuele personen hebben wij prima mogelijkheden! (Zie de paragraaf 'OP EIGEN GELEGENHEID' )

DE VLIEGREIS
Wij vliegen met Croatia Airlines. Dat is weliswaar geen grote maatschappij, maar men beschikt wel over betrouwbare vliegtuigen, o.a. de moderne Airbus. In de periode van april t/m oktober 2009 vliegen we op zaterdag en woensdag rechtstreeks van Schiphol naar Split. We vertrekken rond 15.00 uur en landen ongeveer twee uur later in Split. Onderweg worden dranken en een lichte lunch geserveerd. In het vliegtuig kan geen rekening gehouden worden met diëten.


VERDER PER BUS
Op het vliegveld Split staat de bus klaar, die ons in minder dan drie uur naar de pensions in Medjugorje brengt. Onderweg passeren we o.a. de beroemde badplaatsen Split, Omis, Makarska en Podgora. In Vepric komen we langs het Kroatische Lourdes. Na twee uur genoten te hebben van het fraaie landschap met o.a. de Adriatische Zee en haar vele eilanden verlaten we de Dalmatische kust langs hoog oprijzende rotswanden en gaan door het schilderachtige bergland naar Medjugorje. Tijdens de busreis bereiden we ons biddend en zingend voor op de aankomst in het genadeoord van de Koningin van de Vrede, terwijl er ook voldoende tijd is om met de medereizigers kennis te maken. De bus brengt ons tot vóór de deur van de pensions waar we zullen verblijven. We worden hartelijk ontvangen door de gastvrouw en gastheer; we voelen ons echt welkom en dat zijn we ook!

DE PENSIONS
De pensions waar onze pelgrims logeren, staan allemaal in Medjugorje, en wel in de buurtschap Bijakovici, waar de verschijningen in 1981 begonnen zijn. Daar wonen de zieners Ivan, Mirjana en Jakov. Wij brengen onze pelgrims onder in verschillende pensions, te weten:

A. Mladen en Ana Ostojic (een splinternieuw pension tegenover de ‘Tuin van St. Franciscus’, een beschermd bosgebied)
B. Kreso en Marica Ostojic;
C. Sima Ostojic;
D. Zdravko en Radmila Ostojic;
E. Zeljko en Drazenka Ostojic; F. Iva Ostojic.
G. Nikola en Mira Ostojic


De letters geven de volgorde aan.|
Onze pelgrims worden eerst ondergebracht in pension A. Als daar geen plaats meer is, komt pension B aan de beurt, daarna C enzovoort.
Pension A t/m E liggen in een prachtig natuurgebied aan een doodlopende weg. Er is daar nauwelijks verkeer: geen hinderlijke taxi's, geen bussen, maar een heerlijke rust. U kunt uw raam dus zonder problemen openzetten en u kunt voor uw genoegen buiten gaan zitten. De pelgrims die er gelogeerd hebben zijn er enthousiast over en willen er de volgende keer graag weer te gast zijn. Vanaf de pensions A t/m E kunt u desgewenst over een prachtig paadje naar de kerk lopen.

DAGELIJKS GRATIS VERVOER IN MEDJUGORJE
Maar…de gastheren van pension A en B brengen hun gasten gratis met een personenbusje of een auto naar de kerk, naar de Verschijningsberg, naar de Kruisberg, naar de zieners enzovoort. Elke dag, wanneer en waarheen u maar wilt! De gastheer van pension D biedt gratis vervoer aan in de loop van de namiddag en 's avonds. Een prima service!

HEBT U EEN ROLSTOEL?
Zit u regelmatig in een rolstoel, maar kunt u met hulp wel een stuk of vier treden lopend omhoog, dan durven wij u uit te nodigen voor een prachtreis die u nooit zult vergeten. Met uw rolstoel zit u steeds vooraan en met het kleine personenbusje kunnen we u en uw rolstoel gemakkelijk vervoeren. Maar…u moet wel een paar treden omhoog kunnen. Ook al zijn er zeker mensen in de groep die uw rolstoel willen duwen, toch is het wel wenselijk om een begeleider mee te nemen. Voor u is pension A de beste keus!

INDELING VAN DE PENSIONS
Onze pensions hebben enkele kamers met drie bedden, maar de meeste kamers hebben twee bedden. Er zijn een paar echte eenpersoons kamers, maar als de ruimte het toelaat, worden kamers met twee bedden ook als eenpersoons kamer gebruikt. Tot nu toe konden we aan de grote vraag naar eenpersoons kamers altijd voldoen! Voor de pelgrims die geen trap op kunnen, zijn er wat kamers op de begane grond in pension A,B,D en G. Bijna alle kamers hebben een eigen badkamer met douche, toilet en wastafel. De bewoners van enkele kamers moeten een badkamer delen.

DE MAALTIJDEN
U logeert in Medjugorje op basis van volpension: drie goede maaltijden per dag, inclusief diverse dranken aan tafel. 's Morgens een welvoorzien ontbijt, waarbij zelfs een naar wens gekookt eitje niet ontbreekt. 's Middags is er een warme lunch met elke dag een ander driegangen menu. Als uw dieet niet ingewikkeld is, kan er rekening mee gehouden worden. Omdat we 's avonds pas na afloop van de viering eten, hebben we gekozen voor een broodmaaltijd. Degenen die niet zo lang kunnen wachten, kunnen op een eerder tijdstip alvast wat eten. Koffie, thee, andere dranken en fruit in de loop van de voormiddag, de namiddag en 's avonds worden niet extra in rekening gebracht!


HET PROGRAMMA
Uit ervaring weten we dat de Moeder Gods het programma in Medjugorje zo laat verlopen dat iedere pelgrim krijgt wat hij/zij nodig heeft. Ook daarin toont zij zich een echte Moeder.

  • We streven ernaar om in de loop van de voormiddag samen de Eucharistie te vieren in onze eigen taal.
  • We beklimmen de Podbrdo (de Verschijningsberg) en de Krizevac (de Kruisberg). U dient hiervoor goed ter been te zijn en over voldoende adem te beschikken.
  • We gaan naar het Blauwe Kruis, evenals de genoemde 'bergen' een plaats van verschijningen.
  • We gaan bidden bij het graf van Pater Slavko Barbaric.
  • We bezoeken één of meer zieners.
  • We kunnen in 2009 niet naar Pater Jozo Zovko in Siroki Brijeg, omdat hij op eigen verzoek een jaar van rust en bezinning wil hebben voor zichzelf. In plaats daarvan gaan wij toch naar Siroki Brijeg waar in 1945 dertig franciscanen hun leven gaven voor het geloof. We bezoeken de plaats waar dat gebeurde en we bidden bij hun graf. Natuurlijk gaan we ook naar het Instituut van de Heilige Familie, dat door Pater Jozo gebouwd is als tehuis voor weesmeisjes en meisjes die het om andere redenen heel moeilijk hebben.
  • We bezichtigen het Instituut en vieren er de Eucharistie in een prachtige kapel. We brengen een bezoek aan Campo della Vita (het drugsverslaafden-centrum van Zr. Elvira) en aan de Oase van de Vrede (waar een religieuze gemeenschap leeft).
  • MOSTAR
    Wij gaan ‘s morgens naar Mostar via een prachtige route. In Mostar gaan we eerst de herstelde Stari Most, de beroemde oude brug, bezichtigen. Als enige bedevaartorganisatie bezoeken wij de zwaar getroffen parochies van de Franciscanen en bewonderen de wederopbouw. We maken kennis met de begeesterde pater Luka en we vieren daar samen de Eucharistie. Na afloop worden we gastvrij onthaald op hapjes en drankjes. Indrukwekkend en zeer positief! Onze pelgrims zijn daar altijd laaiend enthousiast over! We zijn vóór de lunch weer terug in Medjugorje.
  • DE AVONDVIERING
    Het hoogtepunt van elke dag is de avondviering in de parochiekerk.
    Het programma is dan als volgt:
    - Twee rozenhoedjes;
    - Eucharistieviering;
    - Kroatisch gebed (geloofsbelijdenis, zeven keer Onze Vader, Wees gegroet en Eer aan de Vader);
    - zegening van devotionalia;
    - gebed voor innerlijke en licamelijke genezing;
    - het derde rozenhoedje.
    - Op donderdag wordt het derde rozenhoedje vervangen door Eucharistische Aanbidding en op vrijdag door de verering van het H. Kruis.
    -Op woensdag en zaterdag is er 's avonds om 22.00 uur (zomertijd) een uur Eucharistische Aanbidding in de kerk.
  • Een kort uitstapje naar de fraaie Kravica-waterval staat ook op het programma.
  • U beslist zelf in hoeverre u aan het programma deelneemt! Indien u aan één of meer onderdelen van het programma niet deelneemt, ontvangt u geen terugbetaling van een deel van de reissom.

    In de periode van april t/m oktober 2009 vertrekken we op zaterdag rond 12.00 uur uit Split. We hoeven dan niet buitensporig vroeg uit Medjugorje te vertrekken. Croatia Airlines vliegt op zaterdag en woensdag in het seizoen rechtstreeks van Split naar Amsterdam. Er is dan geen tussenlanding in Zagreb. Die is er wel op andere weekdagen in het seizoen. Buiten het seizoen is er altijd een tussenlanding in Zagreb op alle weekdagen.

    OP EIGEN GELEGENHEID
    Als u individueel of met een eigen groep naar Medjugorje wilt gaan, wil onze Stichting u daarbij graag van dienst zijn. Wij hebben een speciale brochure samengesteld voor degenen die op eigen gelegenheid naar Medjugorje gaan. Met behulp van die brochure mist u absoluut niets van alle belangrijke plekjes en vieringen van Medjugorje. Bovendien weten de gastheren van onze pensions heel goed, wat onze Stichting belangrijk vindt voor de pelgrims en zij doen dan ook hun uiterste best om hun gasten daarbij van dienst te zijn.

    WAT KRIJGT U VOOR UW GELD?
    Uw vliegticket Schiphol - Split v.v.
    Alle luchthavenbelastingen in Nederland en Kroatië.
    Het vervoer van Split naar Medjugorje v.v.
    Het vervoer van Medjugorje naar Siroki Brijeg v.v.
    Het vervoer van Medjugorje naar Mostar v.v.
    Het vervoer van Medjugorje naar de Kravica-waterval v.v.
    Complete pensionkosten op basis van volpension. ’s Morgens en ’s avonds een goed verzorgde broodmaaltijd en ’s middags een prima warme maaltijd. Geen vreemde gerechten! Er wordt rekening gehouden met een niet al te ingewikkeld dieet.
    Alle dranken in het pension van uw aankomst tot vertrek zijn gratis, ook koffie, thee of iets anders tussendoor.
    In pension A en B gratis vervoer in Medjugorje zelf, wanneer en waarheen u maar wenst.
    Desgewenst regelen wij een goede reisverzekering van ELVIA voor u. Dat geldt ook voor een annuleringsverzekering van Elvia. De premie bedraagt 7% van de reissom. .

    Als u om dringende redenen niet mee kunt, betaalt de annuleringsverzekering u de reissom terug, zelfs als u tijdens de reis onverwacht naar huis moet. Het is dus zeer wenselijk dat u die verzekering afsluit. Indien u dat wenst, sluiten wij voor u een annuleringsverzekering af bij ‘ELVIA’. De premie bedraagt ca. 7% van de totale reissom. Uw reispapieren ontvangt u ongeveer enkele weken vóór het vertrek. We verstrekken u zeer uitgebreide informatie.

    NADERE INLICHTINGEN
    Indien u nadere inlichtingen en/of inschrijfformulieren wenst, kunt u vrijblijvend contact opnemen met Theo van den Heuvel, voorzitter, en tevens één van de reisleiders, tel. 0411-601565. E-mail: bedevaarten@medjugorje.nl Dit e-mailadres is beveiligd tegen spambots, u heeft JavaScript nodig om het te kunnen bekijken

    HULP BIJ DE VOORBEREIDING
    Wij willen u graag van dienst zijn bij de voorbereiding van uw reis. Na aanmelding ontvangt u van ons een lijst met dingen die u zeker niet mag vergeten en met zaken die wellicht van nut kunnen zijn. We geven u ook informatie over het te verwachten weer in Medjugorje. Inwoners van de landen van de Europese Unie dienen alleen een geldig paspoort te hebben. Het moet nog drie maanden geldig zijn na afloop van de bedevaart. Dit geldt ook voor mensen met een Amerikaans of Canadees paspoort. Voor mensen die een andere nationaliteit hebben, kan een visum vereist zijn. En dat moet tijdig aangevraagd worden.






10-01-2010 om 17:22 geschreven door Vorser-Raadgever  

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Klik hier om een link te hebben waarmee u dit artikel later terug kunt lezen.Socioloog Mart Bax geeft zijn visie over Medjugorje...gelukkig zijn er nog de nuchtere Ollanders!
Klik op de afbeelding om de link te volgen Na al die verschijningen, kierewiete franciscanen, pausen die met elkaar duidelijk van mening verschillen en miljoenen goedgelovige Katholieken die absoluut de maagd Maria willen zien en/of horen zouden we beginnen te denken dat we terug in de Middeleeuwen zitten. Zo ver zijn we trouwens niet van de waarheid of tenminste een geloofwaardige waarheid want in deze zaak heeft iedereen zijn eigen versie van de waarheid want er bestaat een sociologische analyse over deze zogenaamde heilige plaats en de gebeurtenissen die daar plaats vonden. En weet, beste lezertjes dat het niet beperkt bleef tot Mariaverschijningen, sexschandalen en dergelijke...er gebeurde nog wel meer...en dat lezen jullie in deze onderstaande uitstekende studie van ene ollandse socioloog die ginder verbleef:

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/levy_medjugorje.htm




Globalization and Medjugorje
Jonathan Levy

Modernization theory proposes that increased structural complexity in society equates with greater efficiency, thus the more social differentiation, the more specialized we become and better able to perform our tasks. In developing countries, changing from an agrarian economy to a diversified economy is one manifestation of modernization. This is progress described in the broadest terms but does progress really occur in this manner? Does increased structural complexity really yield anything truly worthwhile in developing countries? Short of some cataclysm, modernism is viewed as a one-way street, but is it really? Could modernization and its economic partner globalization actually lead to what has been termed barbarization or even decivilization? Is change always for the better?

The Dutch sociologist Mart Bax has spent well over fifteen years studying firsthand a small town in Bosnia Herzegovina, which has been the site of unprecedented growth, specialization, and globalization. The name of the town is Medjugorje and Bax made "scientific" outings on an annual basis to meet with his informants and make and record observations. Medjugorje was a small agrarian hamlet in Herzegovina prior to 1981, notable only for being near the site of a massacre of Serbs by Croats in 1942. The Croats who allied themselves with Nazi Germany took revenge on the Serbs under whose rule the Croats had chafed after WWI. The Croats formed the paramilitary Ustasa organization and with the help of Roman Catholic clergy sought to purge Croatia and Bosnia of the hated Serbs who were Orthodox Christians. Operating from Medjugorje, the Ustasa rounded up the local Serbs and slaughtered several hundred Serbs disposing of them in a ravine at a place called Suramanci.

On June 24, 1981, the Virgin Mary or Gospa as she is referred to in the local dialect appeared to six Croatian teenagers who had gone out to have a smoke or as was later revised by the local clerics, to look for "lost lambs." What followed was a ten-year period of unprecedented growth and modernization fueled by a steady influx of pilgrims from Western Europe and America, freely spending hard currency and enhancing the local economy. Medjugorje prospered like never before despite the opposition of the local Bishop and the suspicions of the Yugoslav secret police and government authorities.

The Virgin Mary or as she preferred to be called in Medjugorje, the Queen of Peace, brought prosperity to the town and its environs. Villagers expanded their homes into boarding houses to accommodate the pilgrims, concessionaires and tour guides sprang up, gift shops, hotels, and cafes were all built. Local villagers were pressed into service as laborers, technicians, and hospitality workers. Entrepreneurs operated taxis and other related businesses. Craftsman produced religious paraphernalia for sale to tourists. Eventually so called Peace Centers were constructed along with new churches and a massive cathedral. And the miracles kept coming, regular messages were received from the Gospa, spontaneous healing of terminal illnesses were reported, visions and apparitions were reported by pilgrims. It appeared to be a textbook case of modernization and globalization under the most benign of circumstances.

Evolutionary modernization had come to rural Yugoslavia. The development of Medjugorje as a shrine central to the worldwide Roman Catholic Church integrated Medjugorje into the global economy as a major tourist destination. By 1990, promoters of Medjugorje had claimed over eighteen million visitors, although there is really no way to verify these figures, one may assume the numbers must have been in the millions.

But the net result by 1992 was what Bax terms barbarization, not just sporadic violence but organized brutality. Medjugorje is not unique, by examining it we can understand why the fruits of modernization in developing regions of the world is often times not liberal democracy and peace but so often the barbarization process described by Bax. World Bank and International Monetary Fund loans do not always bring about liberal democracy.

So is Medjugorje an example of modernization? Rostow equated economic progress with modernization. And of course Marxian modernization in Russia and China was all about quotas and five years plans which in turn were designed to build infrastructure. Rostow's theory was an alternative to Marx. The political scientists Easton and Almond provide elaborate theories based upon structural functionalism, the idea that the politics can be viewed as a series of inputs and outputs. But more telling is the revelation that much of modernization theory was masquerading under the term political development and was underwritten by the Ford Foundation throughout the 1960's. Surely, the moguls of Detroit perceived communism as a competitor and sought an alternative to the strong armed but apparently successful Stalinist model of modernization. Thus while there is no real consensus, there are several related themes here, economic and social progress, specialization, and the machinelike functioning of society. Medjugorje's building and tourism boom, the replacement of an agrarian society with a specialized one, must surely be a modernization under any definition.

Modernization in the developing world often meant dictatorships and botched attempts at centrally planned economies. With the end of the Cold War, democracy or rather its trappings was associated with modernization. The oft-cited Fukuyama trumpeted that liberal democracy and capitalism associated liberal economies were the end result of a historical progression even if it was tied to IMF and World Bank loans. Nonetheless some caution against embracing democratization too quickly as a panacea for developing nations. But is "modern man" really any more refined than his ancestors. Economic might and copious theory did not lessen the crimes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao. And in developing countries is modernity just a thin veneer that disappears under economic downturn or other stress?

Bosnia was once part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, the envy of all communist nations. A place where socialism had worked, seemingly irresolvable ethnic conflicts had been put aside to work towards modernity and unity. The socialist economy produced high quality consumer goods for export and even went head to head with Detroit by introducing the Yugo car in the United States. By all measures, Yugoslavia was making progress. But under the surface of the socialist state, a long suppressed and secretly nurtured nationalist antagonism simmered.

Tito's government after World War II had been determined to rid Bosnia of fascist elements, called the Ustasa, and their sympathizers in the Croat population. The Ustasa took to the mountains and carried on a low-level guerrilla conflict until 1957. On the surface it appeared that order had finally been reestablished but old hatreds die hard. According to Bax, blood feuds continued in Bosnia. Likewise the Franciscan Order which had openly sided with the Ustasa during World War II, eventually returned to their churches and monasteries. The Franciscans are a Roman Catholic religious order with a long history in Bosnia dating from the 14th century. They are essentially independent of the local archdiocese in Mostar. In 1972, the Franciscans built a new church in Medjugorje. By 1981 when the Virgin Mary appeared to six children there, the Franciscans were locked in an administrative dispute with the Bishop of Mostar over control of the village church and their activities.

The Franciscans immediately latched onto the six children and began collecting the messages the young seers received from the Virgin. The more general messages urge peace, fasting and prayer and were distributed worldwide. Other of the divine messages contained instructions to the local populace including where to build commercial establishments. Bax theorizes the Franciscans had two purposes in promoting the apparitions and messages, one to prevent control by the Bishop of Mostar by establishing a viable religious shrine on the pilgrimage tour circuit and second to assert local control and pacification of the population and prevent blood feuds among local Croat clans which had been endemic to the region.

R. Robertson has proposed that increased globalization actually is a root cause of religious fundamentalism and ethno-nationalism. Globalization and modernization stimulate a response that at times seems at odds with notions of progress. The Iranian Revolution is an example of reaction to the modernization and globalization that began occurring in Persia in the late 19th century and gained impetus under the Shah. Traditional forces in Iran felt threatened by the changes being made and eventually revolted and overthrew the old regime.

Bax, a political sociologist based in Amsterdam, has found evidence of what he deems barbarization in Medjugorje following the breakdown of Yugoslav civil authority in 1991. Quoting Elias, Bax tells us that the barbarizing process presupposes civilizing processes. Bax reminds us that Bosnia Herzegovina was the locale of 400 years of war between the Turks and Austrians; the area became a checkerboard of separate ethnicities, Serbs, Croats, and Muslims. The founding of Yugoslavia in 1919 did little to quiet the region as the Serbs dominated the government. Croats were discriminated against and formed bands of Ustase, the Serbs retaliated by forming paramilitary bands known as Chetniks. The Second World War turned Bosnia into a huge battlefield where Croats and Muslims aligned with the Germans and fought Serbs and Communist Partisans. The Partisans were victorious and the Ustase eliminated, but by the late 1970's the Croats including those in Medjugorje were again forming Ustase bands.

The establishment of the shrine in Medjugorje pacified the region. Bax reports that crime decreased and violence disappeared. The Queen of Peace brought millions of tourists who pumped huge sums of money into the local economy. But as the state monopoly on power evaporated in 1991, Croat nationalism reasserted itself, often under the leadership of the Franciscans. In Medjugorje, the Serbs were quickly eliminated by 1991 but the civil war that was raging began to cut into the tourist trade. Tour groups were often waylaid or prevented from reaching their destination. Economically, the villagers had in many cases taken out loans to expand their homes. Clans controlled their rivalries as long as the money flowed in from tourists. By 1991 most of the boarding houses were empty except for those owned by the Ostojici clan, which had good outside connections. Other clans asked the Ostojici to share their good fortune; the Ostojici declined.

One of the most brutal aspects of the war in Medjugorje was not the conflict between Croats and Muslims or Serbs but between the Croats themselves. A blood feud was soon ignited in Medjugorje and its environs that killed 200 members of the village of 3000 and caused another 600 to flee the region. Pilgrims at the Medjugorje Peace Center did not even realize the feud was ongoing although grisly atrocities including mutilations and torture were carried out on a regular between the warring clans in nighttime raids. Finally, elements of the Croatian Army aligned with one of the warring clans intervened against the Ostojici, 100 men were rounded up and quickly liquidated in one of the many ravines in the area.

By the end of 1992, Medjugorje was again accessible to tourists. Houses were being built and repaired. Visitors were told Serb aggressors had done the damage to the village. The Ostojici property was taken over by their rivals, the remaining Ostojici having fled as refugees to Germany. Bax finds the whole incident reminiscent of a situation where escalating violence helped by outside forces leads to a tragic outcome. But what is puzzling is the sheer barbarity of the dispute, villagers mutilated and tortured each other, elderly people were murdered, homes were burned, and women and children killed. Bax notes that the violence as it became more grisly also became more organized. In regards to mutilation, he notes they followed a fixed pattern with more and more parts of bodies being removed as the conflict increased. Homemade rocket launchers were used to chase out the Ostojici who remained. As for the Mother of God, Bax reports the victors offered up prayers of thanks for her special grace and protection.

Was this internecine slaughter in Medjugorje the fruits of modernization and globalization? Robertson and Beyer in their examination of the Iranian revolution explain how modernization and globalization actually were root causes of Islamic fundamentalism in Iran. Modernism Revisionism recognizes the tenacity of religion and ethnicity that is resistant to change or "progress". In the case of Medjugorje, even Croats of the same ethnicity and religion slaughtered each other over the lowest common denominator, clan differences. Additionally, not just Croats died or were persecuted in the environs of Medjugorje, ethnic cleansing of Muslims and Serbs also occurred.

Modernism has been criticized for "taking a zero sum view of the relation between tradition and modernity," Tradition supposedly will whither as modernity increases. Thus in Medjugorje, even though the shrine based on religious apparitions of the Virgin Mary was religion based, the villagers themselves should have become more "modern." This modernity spawned by the building of hotels, restaurants, and tourist complexes. Initially, the Franciscans were able to quell local tendencies towards violence but even the Virgin Mary, busloads of pilgrims seeking peace, the Medjugorje Peace Center built in honor of the Queen of Peace, could not prevent horrendous violence. Indeed modernization may have reinforced violent tendencies based on centuries old tradition and enmity. It has been observed that traditions adapt to modernization and may actually be revitalized by the relationship.

The intertwining of modernity and tradition is especially evident in Medjugorje. It is the pilgrims from Europe and North America that brought the hard cash that made Medjugorje a major tourist destination. At first glance one would tend to dismiss the story of six teens conversing on a daily basis with the Gospa as just so much sensationalism. Yet, such apparitions have been recognized in Fatima, Portugal to which the current Pope has dedicated his reign. Other approved sites are Lourdes in France and Guadalajara, Mexico. Medjugorje has not been approved by the Vatican, the local Bishop of Mostar, condemned the apparitions as false almost immediately. But in a sense modernization and Vatican ambivalence permitted the Franciscans to continue developing the site.

It was no coincidence that Father Slavko Barbaric, a Franciscan schooled, as a psychotherapist in Germany was one of the early handlers of the six children. When Barbaric died last December while leading a tour group, a special message was received by one of the now adult visionaries that Father Slavko was in heaven by the Gospa's side. Bax reports that the Franciscans seemed remarkably well prepared to promote the apparitions worldwide. The Franciscan order immediately sent their own experts to Medjugorje to validate the ongoing apparitions. More interesting is the global nature of the effort to promote Medjugorje. According to Bax, for over a decade, the international Medjugorje campaign was directed from Franciscan University at Steubenville, Ohio. Tour promoters specialize in Medjugorje, one of largest is run by Caritas of Birmingham, Alabama, a cult dedicated to Medjugorje.

According to a May 3, 2001 Fox News story aired locally on channel 19 in Cincinnati, an ex cult member compared Caritas to Waco and the cult leader Terry Colafrancesco to David Koresh. Colafrancesco who began the Alabama based cult in 1987 grosses over a million dollars in annual income, he owns a 137 acre estate and swimming pool while 50 followers work 12 hour days running his publishing business that distributes Medjugorje tracts and staff his travel agency that specializes in pilgrimages to Medjugorje. The followers like Mike O'Neill who was profiled by Fox, live in run down trailers. According to O'Neill, children often sleep on the floor and members are paid a miserly wage. Colafrancesco often makes odd dictates, such as banning mayonnaise. Colafrancesco is tied to one of the teen visionaries, Marija. Of the six Marija still experiences the most visions, touring the world, and often witnessing apparitions of the Virgin in the drawing rooms of well-heeled donors.

The worldwide pull of Medjugorje has increased in recent years with a 20th anniversary celebration planned for June 25, 2001. The Marian devotions of John Paul II also provide a powerful impetus to the Medjugorje movement. Numerous organizations support Medjugorje in the United States and it is revered by the charismatic movement of the Catholic Church, which is a Catholic reaction to the Pentecostal movement and includes such practices as faith healing and speaking in tongues. The US State Department travel advisory for Bosnia indicates that Medjugorje is the only locale in the country where credit cards are accepted on a normal basis. The only thing preventing Medjugorje from becoming permanent pilgrimage fixture is lack of Papal recognition. The Vatican's official position is that it neither approves nor disapproves of Medjugorje but it does not doubt the sincerity of those who choose to go there.

By 1992, the clan warfare chronicled by Bax had subsided, the remnants of the Ostojici left to continue their "war" from a refugee camp in Germany. A new campaign of ethnic cleansing was then launched against the remaining Muslims, the Serbs having been chased out in 1991. In 1992, forces from Medjugorje including the local militia known as the rocketeers because of their use of home made rocket launchers, slaughtered Muslims in a nearby village and blew up the mosque. By 1994 the Franciscans had built a church there. The scene was repeated in 1993 by the rocketeers of Medjugorje as other Muslim villages were razed, Franciscan churches established and Croat refugees resettled.

The final stage of ethnic cleansing occurred in 1993 in Lavsa Valley against the Muslims. The villagers who were not killed outright were rounded up and murdered at a Croat run concentration camp one half hour from Medjugorje. Transports of prisoners were routed through Medjugorje but the Muslims were told to cover their eyes lest their gaze pollute the Croat holy shrine. The Western pilgrims never realized that an extermination camp was only minutes away. Indeed, organizations like the aforementioned Caritas of Birmingham blamed the Serbs for all the inconveniences in the region including destruction of buildings, much of which occurred during, inter clan warfare among Croats.

Is Medjugorje a fair assessment of modernization and globalization? Bax argues that we can learn much from one small village in Bosnia Herzegovina. The behaviors exhibited are not unique and even though the region is striking for its barbarity and violence, much can be applied to Eastern Europe as a whole. Indeed, Bax shows that what appears to be random or senseless behavior when looked at a higher level, makes perfect sense when analyzed at the lowest level. This perhaps is the problem with modernization theory; it seems to make sense at the macro level when its proponents announce that religious and ethnic differences will shrivel in the face of economic progress and democracy. But in reality, as in Medjugorje, modernization and globalization can actually enflame local rivalries, which operate at the clan or tribal level. In fact, barbarism may occur because of, not in spite of so called progress.

The collapse of communist Yugoslavia might be viewed as progress, another socialist regime unable to compete with capitalism and democracy. However so called progress yielded barbarization when the state structure collapsed. Tradition and religion became stronger and were a basis for decivilization. Even the presence of 18 million tourists between 1981 and 1991 along with a modern infrastructure had no effect on Medjugorje, indeed as soon as there was economic stress, the villagers resorted to a vicious clan war.

Bosnia is not alone; other states have similarly lapsed into barbarism under stress despite modernization and loans from the Wolrd Bank and IMF. One need only look to democratic Russia and its treatment of Chechnia or the total disintegration of West Africa and the Congo. Progress is not linear, perhaps these lapses in civilization can be forestalled by authoritarian governments or well-managed economies but it is troubling that much of Medjugorje's support comes from the United States. There appears to be a segment of the population that would willingly revert to traditionalism if permitted to, as such they must travel to Bosnia to behold the Miracle City of the Queen of Peace. Others like Colafrancesco build their own versions of Medjugorje in the United States.

Globalization is a two way street as Medjugorje reveals. Westerners support a shrine that has been condemned by the local ecclesiastical authorities as fraudulent and common sense tells us that the Mother of God cannot be issuing thousands of messages, some on rather mundane issues such as where to place buildings. Spontaneous healings are seldom what they appear and apparition seekers staring into the sun have been known to see many odd things. Nonetheless, Medjugorje continues to prosper on both a global and local level. It also offers us a look at barbarization and how easily it may occur. Compared to the forces of tradition, religion, and ethnicity, modernization and globalization appear to be of secondary importance and that perhaps is the lesson of Medjugorje.

The author, Jonathan Levy, is an attorney working for both the victims of the Ustase and the Phillip J. Kronzer Foundation for Religious Research. He has filed several lawsuits against the Franciscan Order, Vatican Bank, Croatian Liberation Movement, and Medjugorje promoters including Caritas of Birmingham alleging gross violations of human rights by the Neo Fascist Franciscans at Medjugorje.

He can be contacted at resistk@yahoo.com For further information see: http://www.kronzer.org and http://www.vaticanbankclaims.com

References

Vicky Randall and Robin Theobald, Political Change and Underdevelopment, Duke University press, Durham, 1998, pg. 28.

Mart Bax, Medjugorje: religion, Politics, and Violence in Rural Bosnia, Free University press, Amsterdam, 1995, pgs. 122-3.

The approved Roman Catholic shrine of Fatima, Portugal involved three shepherd children in 1917 coming upon an apparition of the Virgin Mary. The obvious intent of the Medjugorje children's' handlers, Franciscan monks, was to associate Medjugorje with the approved shrines of Fatima and Lourdes.

Bax, pgs. 106 et seq.

Randall and Theobald, pgs. 24-25

Randall and Theobald, pg. 250.

Bax, p. 102

Mart Bax, Holy Mary and Medjugorje's Rocketeers, The Local Logic of an Ethnic Cleansing Process in Bosnia, Ethnologia Europaea, pg. 54.

Bax, Rocketeers, p. 48

Randall and Theobald, pgs. 250-252

Ibid, p. 46.

Ibid, p. 46.

Ohio and Indiana are the heartland of the international Medjugorje movement, besides the aforementioned Franciscan University at Steubenville, there are major Medjugorje centers at Norwood, Ohio, the University of Dayton, and at Notre Dame, Indiana.

Interview with Mike and Jackie O'Neill, April 2001.

Fox 19 News, Cincinnati, May 3, 2001, Local Man Escapes Cult by Andy Treinen.


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en het is niet altijd zo geweest dat onze vriend Zovko door de paus werd in de ban geslagen. het was ooit anders. Let ook vooral op de data...zowel het bezoek aan Johannes Paulus II en al de lof dat onze Jozo krijgt toegezwaaid evenals de lofbrieven van de overste der Franciskanen datern van lang na de brieven van de bisschop van Mostar...dus ze moeten niet zeggen dat ze van niks wisten daar in Rome. Met onze Duitse paus lijkt het plots wel wat moeilijker te worden...en daar kan iedereen alleen maar blij mee zijn dachten we zo. En zeker in deze onfrisse zaak...



A Letter From Pope John Paul II to Fr. Jozo Zovko


Saturday Evening, August 24, 2002
Zagreb Daily Newspaper,
"The Vercernji List"

Headline Reads:
"A Surprising Gesture From the Vatican. The Pope Thanks Father Jozo for Medjugorje!"

The cover photo was taken when the Holy Father welcomed Fr. Jozo in 1992, in the midst of the Bosnian war. At that time the Pope told him: "I am with you, protect Medjugorje! Protect Our Lady's messages!"

Web site for "The Vercernji List"
http://www.vecernji-list.hr


The article in the paper shows Fr. Jozo at his desk, reading the Pope's letter, with a caption to the left of the picture: "The Pope has signed a thank you note to Fr. Jozo Zovko." A translation of the article from Croatian reads:


Siroki Brijeg - The world renowned Franciscan, Fr. Jozo Zovko, was more than surprised when yesterday Polish pilgrims came to thank him for twenty-one years of testifying to the Medjugorje apparitions, and especially when they handed him a thank you note personally signed by the shaky hand of their best known compatriate, John Paul II. Actually, after coming back from Poland the Pope wrote from the Vatican to personally thank and send his apostolic blessing to Fr. Jozo Zovko.

'Our Poland is grateful for your every word, for every thing that you have done for us', said the Pope's collaborator, Krystyna Gregorezyk, who personally handed the thank you note to Fr. Jozo in the Siroki Brijeg church.

'So far I have received hundreds of gifts and thank you notes but none can compare with this one. I am most pleasantly surprised,' a visibly shakened Fr. Jozo said for our paper.

Fr. Jozo Zovko is a member of the Hercegovinian Franciscan Province. As a witness to the Medjugorje apparitions, he has become one of the best known priests in the world. Many tribes have made him their chief and he is connected with many miraculous healings. According to a poll conducted by "The Daily Catholic", Fr. Jozo has been elected among twenty-nine Catholics of the century." (J.P.)




The Original Text in Italian:

"Imparto di cuore una particolare Benedizione Apostolica a Padre Yozo Zovko, o.f.m. ed invoco nuova effusione di grazie e favori celesti e la continua protezione della Beata Vergine Maria"

Joannes Paulus II


English Translation:

"I grant from the heart a particular blessing to Father Jozo Zovko, o.f.m. and I invoke a new outpouring of graces and heavenly favors, and the continuous protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary".

Joannes Paulus II.



By Denis and Cathly Nolan:

Now, according to what Krystyna Gregorezyk reported when she presented the message, the letter was written this month in Rome right after the Pope's return from Poland. Krystyna, who works as a collaborator of the Holy Father in the Vatican, had breakfast with him and several other Polish people before they left for Medjugorje. The Pope signed the letter in front of Mrs. Gregorezyk.

It seems therefore that the words reported in the Newspaper, Vercernji List, are real. In a verbal message to Fr. Jozo, conveyed by Krystyna, the Pope also said that he is thankful for his apostolate for Medjugorje, for what Fr. Jozo is doing and has done so far. The pope said he was happy to give him a sign of support.

What did Fr.Jozo do for the Polish people if not spread the Medjugorje messages to them?

Krystyna said that the Pope was very joyful during this breakfast and asked many questions about Medjugorje. He was also happy to hear the testimonies about Medjugorje that the Polish pilgrims reported to him.

Of course, more enquiry should be made about this incredible event. However, today it seems that this is the first written personal word of encouragement, from the Pope, made public by the media, to a witness of Medjugorje. This simple letter stands as a tangible and visible document in support of the Holy Father's heartfelt thanks and encouragement that he sent to Fr. Jozo through Krystyna.

All are encouraged to spread this news - that the Holy Father has sent such a heartfelt blessing to this champion for Medjguorje and Our Lady's apparitions!

Denis and Cathy Nolan
Children of Medjugorje
P.O. Box 1110
Notre Dame, IN 46556 (USA)
Tel: (574) 234 - 7888
Fax: (574) 287-7875
Email: dnolan@childrenofmedjugorje.com







Letters of Clarification
Regarding Fr. Jozo


Below you can find the letters of Provincial Fr. Slavko Soldo and the Vicar General of the Franciscan Order Stefano Ottenbreit, that states Fr. Jozo is a Franciscan in good standing in the Order, even if he is under penalties from the Bishop.


11.21.2002 – Many people contact us regularly with questions concerning the status of the Franciscan Fr. Jozo Zovko, OFM. This is why we publish the "Attestation of Good Conduct" by Fr. Stefano Ottenbreit, OFM, Vicar General of the Order of Friars Minor (OFM) and a letter by Fr. Slavko Soldo, OFM, Provincial of the Herzegovinian Franciscan Province of the Assumption of the BVM.


Fr. Stefano Ottenbreit,
Vicar General of the Order, writes:

"I Fr. Stefano Ottenbreit, the undersigned, Vicar General of the Order of Friars Minor, testify that Fr. Jozo Zovko is a Member in good standing of the Province of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Herzegovina of our Order. I, also, declare to whom it may concern that he has never been suspended from our Order."

Signed and sealed with the seal of the Order at our General Curia in Rome on this 21st day of November in the year of the Lord 2002.

In fide, Fr. Stefano Ottenbreit, OFM, Vicar General


Fr. Slavko Soldo, OFM, Provincial of the Herzegovinian Franciscan Province of the Assumption of the BVM, writes:

"Fr. Jozo Zovko is a member of our community in good standing. He was the pastor at Medjugorje when the apparition of the Blessed Mother started in 1981. It was time of the communist regime in our country. As pastor of Medjugorje Fr. Jozo was put in prison by the communist court. After he was released from the prison, he continued to spread the message of the blessed Mother Queen of peace.

In our community Fr. Jozo Zovko is known as a charismatic priest who suffered for his faith and continues suffering. He spends long hours in prayer, counseling and preaching. Most of the time he is in the church, often for 10 hours a day.

Those who oppose the apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje are constantly after Fr. Jozo, trying to stop his mission, but those who accept the Medjugorje consider him a dedicated priest and are inviting him to lead retreats for them and pray for them in their needs. Among those who are inviting him, are many priests and bishops. Fr. Jozo is tireless in that service. He did ask permission to travel to the United States and it was granted to him. I hope that this will be of help to you.

Peace and all things good!"

Mostar, November 14, 2002, Fr. Slavko Soldo, provincijal

en nochtans moeten ze op de hoogte zijn geweest van eerdere brieven van de bisschop van Mostar...







The Truth About Medjugorje
by
Msgr. Pavao Zanic, Bishop of Mostar

Bishop Pavao Zanic, presided over the Diocese of Mostar, from 1971-1993.
He exercised full ecclesiastical jurisdiction over the parish of Medjugorje,
which is located in the region of Bosnia-Herzegovina. He published the following article in 1990.

1. The truth regarding the events in Medjugorje is being sought out by a Commission of the Bishop's Conference of Yugoslavia (kJ). Their work though, is progressing slowly. Therefore with this statement I wish to help the Commission in coming to a decision as soon as possible. Propaganda in favor of Medjugorje is being rushed in order to place the Church and the world before a "fait accompli". This has been the intention of the defenders of Medjugorje from the beginning. It must be admitted that they have succeeded, because the other side is either working too slowly or remaining silent. For these reasons and due to the motivation that I have been given from many from all over the world who realize that the truth has been trampled upon, I have decided to make another statement according to my duty and my conscience, and help the Commission.

With this statement I wish to awaken the consciences of those who defend Medjugorje. Their path is simple, wide and downhill all the way, while mine is difficult, thorny and uphill. The Church and Our Lady have no need of falsehoods. Jesus says: "The truth will make you free" (Din 8,32). "I am the way and the truth and the life" (Jn 14,6) "For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth, hears my voice" (Jn 18,37). For even a short description of the falsehoods about Medjugorje we would need 200 pages, but for now all I will give is this short summary without a scientific approach. I am somewhat uneasy because of the fact that in some statements my name is in the forefront, yet from the beginning of the "apparitions" I have been in the center of the events due to my episcopal position and duties. I am sorry as well for having to mention some "unpleasant things", but without them the arguments lose their strength. However, the most unpleasant things will be left out.

2. A characteristic attitude: Marina B., a tourist guide for Atlas travel, brought a priest from Panama to my office in August 1989. His name: Presbitero Rodriguez Teofilo, pastor of Nuestra Senora de Lourdes. With him came Carmen Cecilia Capriles - a journalist, Gerente General of the IATA agency, and Averrida Alberto Navarro, Apartado 1344 zona 7, Panama. Marina presented herself as a tour-guide, translator for English and a convert of Medjugorje. The priest asked me for the reasons why I do not believe in the "apparitions". I told him that I have at least 20 reasons not to believe, of which only one is necessary for those who are sober and well instructed in the faith to come to the conclusion that the apparitions are not of the supernatural. He asked me to please tell him at least one reason. I told him about the case of the ex-franciscan priest Ivica Vego. Due to his disobedience, by an order of the Holy father the Pope, he was thrown out of his franciscan religious order OFM by his General, dispensed from his vows and suspended "a divinis". He did not obey this order and he continued to celebrate Mass, distribute the sacraments and pass the time with his mistress. It is unpleasant to write about this, yet it is necessary in order to see who Our Lady is speaking of. According to the diary of Vicka and the statements of the "seers", Our Lady mentioned 13 times that he is innocent and that the bishop is wrong. When his mistress, sister Leopolda, a nun, became pregnant, both of them left Medjugorje and the religious life and began to live together near Medjugorje where their child was born. Now they have two children. His prayerbook is still sold in Medjugorje and beyond in hundreds of thousands of copies.

I asked Marina to translate this in English. Marina cannot be blamed for having fallen into a community which is concealing the truth. She spontaneously responded according to the practice in Medjugorje: "Do we have to tell them these ugly things?" I responded by saying that if you had not held back and covered these "ugly events" these people from Panama would have found out earlier and they would not have had to travel to Medjugorje for nothing. It is an injustice and a sin to hide this truth, even though it be unpleasant, it must be said.

3. The Marian theologian Rene Laurentin behaves in the same manner. He came to visit me around Christmas 1983, and I offered him dinner. He asked me why I did not believe in the apparitions. I told him that according to the diary of Vicka and the words of the other "seers" this 'Lady' has been speaking against the bishop. Laurentin quickly responded: "Don't publish that, because there are many pilgrims and converts there." I was scandalized by this statement of this well known Mariologist! This has remained Laurentin's position: to hide the truth, and defend falsehoods. He has written around ten books on the topic of Medjugorje and in almost all of them, the truth and bishop Zanic are under fire. He knows well what people like to hear. Therefore, it was relatively easy for him to find those who would believe him. "A veritate quidam auditum avertent, ad fabulas autem convertentur" - They will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths (2 Tim 4:4). The "seers" and defenders of Medjugorje led by Laurentin, from the very outset have seen that the modern believer in a communist country very quickly believes in everything "miraculous", in apparent miraculous healings and apparent messages from "Our Lady".

4. The main players on which Medjugorje rests are retired archbishop F. Franic, R. Laurentin, Lj. Rupcic OFM, Amorth, Rastrelli S.J., and some franciscans and charismatics from all over the world. Many books have been quickly published, as well as articles, brochures, films and souvenirs. On the move are tourist agencies, pilgrimages, prayer books written by two franciscans Vego and Prusina who were thrown out of the OFM Order, published in many languages in 600,000 copies, fanatical prayer groups that are inspired by the apparent messages of Our Lady and the great motivator of all - money. No one even mentions that which throws doubt on the "apparitions". The bishop has been warning everyone, but the 'machinery' has been breaking forward. There have been mentioned 50 miraculous healings, then 150, 200, 300 and so on. Laurentin chose 56 dossiers and sent them to the "Bureau medical de Lourdes". Dr. Mangiapan responded in their bulletin Avril/84, that these dossiers have no practical value, and they cannot be used or considered as serious proofs of the apparitions in Medjugorje. Much has been written about the healing of Diane Basile. I sent the dossier to Dr. Mangiapan who studied the case and then took the position: "opinion plus que reservee". It is a case of sclerosis multiplex. More will be written about this later in a book.

5. The credibility of the "seers" - Mirjana Dragicevic. One month after the beginning of the "apparitions" I went to Medjugorje to question the "seers". I asked each of them to take an oath on the cross and demanded that they must speak the truth. (This conversation and oath was recorded on tape). The first one was Mirjana: "We went to look for our sheep when at once..." (The associate pastor in the parish interrupted and told me that they actually went out to smoke, which they hid from their parents). "Wait a minute Mirjana, you're under oath. Did you go out to look for your sheep?" She put her hand over her mouth, "forgive me, we went out to smoke." She then showed me the watch on which the "miracle" occurred because the hands of the watch had gone haywire. I took the watch to a watch expert who said that the watch had certainly fallen and become disordered. After bringing the watch back to her I told her not to mention that a miracle occurred. Yet, on cassettes taped later on, she went on to speak of how a miracle occurred with the watch and that initially they had gone out to search for their sheep.

Later on, she spoke that Our Lady said that all faiths are equal. How much can we believe Mirjana?

6. Vicka Ivankovic is the main "seer" from the beginning and through her the creator of Medjugorje, Rev. Tomislav Vlasic OFM, has launched the main portion of falsehoods regarding Medjugorje. He presented himself to the Pope in a letter May 13, 1984 as follows: "I am Rev. Tomislav Vlasic, the one according to Divine Providence who guides the seers of Medjugorje." It would have been better for him that he withdrew himself into the 'desert' and that he remained silent, because his past speaks enough about him. Vicka spoke and wrote much, and in so doing she fell into many contradictions. Prof. Nikola Bulat, a member of the first commission, questioned her and wrote a 60 page study on her. He numbered all the illogicalities and falsehoods of her diary. Here I will only mention the bloody handkerchief. Word spread around that there was a certain taxi driver who came across a man who was bloody all over. This man gave this taxi driver a bloodied handkerchief and he told him to: "throw this in the river". The driver went on and then he came across a woman in black. She stopped him and asked him to give her a handkerchief. He gave her his own, but she said: "not that one but the bloody handkerchief." He gave her the handkerchief she wanted and she then said: "If you had thrown it into the river the end of the world would have occurred now." Vicka Ivankovic wrote in her diary that they asked Our Lady if this event was true and she said that it was, and along with this, "that man covered, with blood was my son Jesus, and I (Our Lady) was that woman in black."

What kind of theology is this? From this it appears that Jesus wants to destroy the world if a handkerchief is thrown into a river and it's Our Lady who saves the world!

7. On the 14th of January 1982, Vicka, Marija and little Jakov came to visit me. Vicka began to speak quite nervously because she was speaking falsehoods. She said: "Our Lady sent us to you to tell you that you are too harsh with the franciscans..." In what way? "We don't know!" Two franciscan chaplains in Mostar, Ivica Vego and Ivan Prusina, which the bishop sought to remove from Mostar because of disorder and disobedience towards the faithful of the newly established cathedral-parish in Mostar, defended themselves before their superiors by saying that they would not leave Mostar because Our Lady through Vicka, told them not to leave. This was mentioned to me by a member of the franciscan Provincial council. I asked Vicka at our meeting: "Did Our Lady mention anything about the Mostar chaplains, Vego and Prusina?" "She did not, we don't know them" responded all three. Our conversation lasted 30 minutes and I taped all of it. I repeated the question of the chaplains of Mostar several times and they always responded: "We don't know them." Later on, I found from Vicka's diary that they knew the chaplains very well. It was clear to me that they were lying, yet I did not want to mention this to them in order to maintain their confidence during our conversations.

8. On the 4th of April 1982, Vicka and Jakov came to visit me "sent by Our Lady". The chaplains of Mostar, Vego and Prusina were thrown out of the franciscan Order OFM in January of that year by the superiors of their Order. Many followers of Medjugorje and "Our Lady" defended the expelled chaplains. During our conversation Vicka very excitedly began: "The last time we were with you we didn't tell you everything and for this reason Our Lady scolded us. We spoke of many things and therefore we forgot..." "What did you forget?" "Our Lady told us to tell you that those chaplains Vego and Prusina are priests and therefore they can celebrate Mass just as other priests." "Wait a minute. Did Our Lady tell you this before our last meeting?" "Yes, that's why she sent us to you. Last time I spoke of many other things and I forgot to mention this." During that previous meeting I asked her directly several times if Our Lady mentioned anything about the two chaplains. It was clear to me that Vicka was lying and this was proof enough for me not to trust her statements. Marija and Jakov also participated in this lie.

9. Towards the end of January 1983, Rev. Grafenauer, a jesuit priest, came to me with the intention of searching out the phenomenon of Medjugorje. He listened to 20 cassettes and after having listened to them he said that he would not go to Medjugorje because he concluded that Our Lady is not there. Upon my insistence he went to Medjugorje and after a few days he came back as a "convert" of Rev. Vlasic. He brought some documents, threw them on the table and said: "Here's what Our Lady wishes to tell you!" I understood this as a plot to overthrow the bishop with the help of Our Lady. The documents he brought were a compilation of Vicka's diary, the parish chronicle and hand written documents. For this reason it is difficult to establish where they were first written. Vicka and those who defend Medjugorje hid this from the bishop for more than a year. Here are a few quotes:

Dec 19, 1981. "Our Lady said that the bishop is to blame for the disorder in Herzegovina. She also said that Rev. Ivica Vego is not to blame, yet that the bishop has all authority. Our Lady said that he (Vego) remain in Mostar and not leave.

January 3, 1982. All the "seers" together asked Our Lady about Rev. Ivica Vego. Our Lady answered: "Ivica is innocent. If they throw him out of the franciscan Order, may he remain courageous... Ivica is innocent." Our Lady repeated this three times.

January 11, 1982. We asked again about the two chaplains of Mostar and Our Lady repeated twice that which she mentioned earlier regarding them. Note: January 14, 1982 Vicka was at the Chancery office with the bishop and at that meeting she mentioned that she did not know Vego.

January 20, 1982. The children asked what Rev. Ivica Vego and Rev. Ivan Prusina were to do now that they were thrown out of the Order. Our Lady answered: "They are innocent. The bishop was harsh in his decision. They can stay."

April 15, 1982. Vicka asked Our Lady a question. "Could you generally tell me everything about Ivica Vego and Ivan Prusina?" Our Lady smiled at the first and then she said: "They are innocent." She repeated twice that: "The bishop has made a mistake... let them remain in Mostar... they can say mass sometimes but may they be careful to stay away from attention until things calm down. They have no faults..."

April 16, 1982. Yesterday while we were with Our Lady we asked her if we could pray an Our Father for them (Vego and Prusina). She answered immediately: "Yes you can", and she prayed with them. When we finished the prayer she smiled and said to me: "Those two are constantly on your mind." I answered: "You're right". April 26, 1982. Our Lady: "The bishop has no real love of God in his heart. Regarding the bishop, may Ivica and Ivan remain calm. What the bishop is doing is contrary to the will of God, yet he can do as he pleases, but one day justice as you have never seen shall be revealed."

10. Vicka never denied that Our Lady said these things or that she wrote these things down in her diary. The assurance and authenticity of this can be best confirmed by a cassette taped by Rev. Grafenauer during his talks with Vicka and Marija. He left taped copies of the cassette in the parish of Medjugorje, with the bishop and he left one with the Bishop's Conference in Zagreb. The cassette should be heard!

A conversation with Vicka: "The bishop has the duty to judge whether or not this is Our Lady..." said Rev. Grafenauer.
Vicka: He can judge as he wants, but I know it's Our Lady.

Graf: The Church says that those who are confident in themselves, that this itself is a sign that Our Lady is not in question here.
Vicka: Let those who are doubtful remain doubtful, I'm not.
Graf: This is not a good sign... you once told the bishop that he should listen more to Our Lady than to the Pope.
Vicka: Yes I did.
Graf: This means that the bishop should listen to you more than to the Pope.
Vicka: No, not me.
Graf: But the bishop doesn't know what the phenomenon is and perhaps it is not Our Lady.
Vicka: Yes it is Our Lady.
Graf: You told the bishop that he is to blame and that those two (Vego and Prusina) are innocent and that they can perform their priestly duties.
Vicka: Yes I did.
Graf: Can they hear confession? Did Our Lady mention this?
Vicka: Yes.
Graf: If Our Lady said this and the Pope says that they cannot...
Vicka: The Pope can say what he wants, I'm telling it as it is!
Graf: See, this is how one can come to the conclusion that this is not Our Lady... when the Pope says no, they cannot celebrate Mass, and they cannot hear confessions, and then on the other hand, Our Lady says they can do both, this cannot be!
Vicka: I know what is right (What Our Lady said).
Graf: This cannot be true. I would put my hand into fire to testify that this is not Our Lady speaking. When a person has a greater gift there also exists a greater danger that the devil could be at work upon this person.
What a degrading humiliation of Our Lady! From these statements she is destroying obedience in the Church, obedience to the bishop, to the heads of the OFM Order, and to the Holy father. She is defending Vego!

11. The apparition in Cerno. Cerno is a village not far away from Medjugorje. The eighth day after the beginning of the apparitions in Medjugorje there was an "apparition" near Cerno. The "seers" told Rev. Jozo Zovko, the pastor of Medjugorje at the time, of this happening the evening of the event. They mentioned that Our Lady said four or five times that she would appear three more days, that is, on July 1, 2, and 3rd. This was taped on cassette and publicized by Rev. Ivo Sivric OFM. The cassette was reproduced. A few years later Rev. Janko Bubalo published a book titled: A thousand meetings with Our Lady. This is a book of conversations with Vicka. Vicka does not mention this event, therefore Rev. Bubalo asked whether or not Our Lady said "only three more days". Vicka responded that she does not remember!

It is evident that Vicka is speaking falsehoods and that Our Lady cannot say that which Vicka is saying. Vicka is fabricating these statements. Should this remain unknown to the rest of the world? Evil (such as speaking falsehoods about Our Lady) must not be done in order to obtain a good (such as pilgrimages, prayers, etc.)

12. "Seer" Marija Pavlovic. Here is a written account of the taped conversation between Rev. Grafenauer and Marija:
Graf: Did Our Lady say that the bishop is to blame?
Marija: Yes.
Graf: Did she say that Vego and Prusina were not to blame?
Marija: Yes.
Graf: When Our Lady says that the bishop is to blame this immediately appears suspicious and we could conclude that this is not Our Lady speaking. The seers are apparently spreading word around that the bishop is to blame.
Marija: Our Lady told us this.
Archbishop F. Franic, Laurentin and many others know all this, yet they remain silent. What kind of theology can accept these statements by Our Lady through the declarations of the "seers" that their Teacher, Pastor and Liturgist - the bishop, who has legally received his duty from Christ through the Church, has no love of God in his heart, that he is declared a sinner throughout the world, that he should convert and that prayers will be said in Medjugorje for this intention? There were even statements made that Jesus himself would pray for the bishop so that the bishop would believe and then take better action in favor of the events in Medjugorje. To say that the bishop is to wait for Our Lady's judgment is an absurdity. It is an offense against Our Lady the Mother of the Church. God knows that I am not without sin, and that Our Lady could criticize me, yet God alone is the judge. I have never been reprimanded or warned by the Holy See for my episcopal service.

13. The creator of Medjugorje, Rev. Tomislav Vlasic, amongst other things has published and distributed in many languages a seventeen page booklet titled: A calling in the Marian year, Milano, March 25 1988. This regards the founding of a prayer group for young men and women (from Medjugorje) who would live together (Parma, Italy - something which has been unheard of in the history of the Church!) They would be the ones who would save the world. Our Lady apparently gave Rev. Vlasic and Agnes Heupel (a German woman supposedly healed in Medjugorje) the inspiration to establish and to lead this community together in a manner similar to saints Francis and Clare, as described by Vlasic. In order for this action to succeed, Rev. Vlasic asked Marija to add "her witnessing" on three pages. She is a member of this community and on April 21, 1988 she wrote: "Sento il bisogno..." - I feel the need... As can be concluded, Our Lady has given a set program to this community of the "Queen of Peace" and she leads this community through Rev. Vlasic and Agnes who give messages to the community. "I have been in the community for a month and a half. I have apparitions and Our Lady leads me in the mystery of suffering which is the foundation of this community. I must write down everything and publish this once Our Lady tells me to. I have understood God's plan which he began through Mary in the parish of Medjugorje." This quote is taken from pages 15 and 16 of Rev. T. Vlasic's text. The defenders of Medjugorje quickly understood that this community of young men and women living, sleeping, working and praying together in the same house would eventually destroy themselves and Medjugorje. Therefore, they sent their Provincial, Rev. Jozo Vasilj to Parma. He went together with the bishop of Parma, Msgr. B. Cochi and Rev. T. Vlasic to the Congregation in Rome. They were told there that the Church cannot allow such a community to exist and then Rev. T. Vlasic was ordered to dissolve the community and to return to Herzegovina. Vlasic did not obey immediately, yet he returned later. This is what was explained to me by Rev. Jozo Vasilj regarding the community.

14. The same Marija Pavlovic made another public declaration on the 11th of July 1988. On a single sheet of paper, distributed in the same manner as the earlier statement, she mentioned: "I feel a moral obligation to declare before God, Our Lady (the Madonna), and the Church... from the text of A calling... it appears as if I gave Our Lady's answer to the question put forward by Rev. T. Vlasic, etc. I now declare that I never sought from Our Lady (the Madonna) a confirmation of the work of Rev. Vlasic and Agnes Heupel... my first declaration... does not correspond to the truth. Rev. Vlasic suggested to me a few times (N.B.) that I as one of the "seers" should write a declaration which the world expects... Everything I said does not correspond to the truth. This I declare before the Blessed Sacrament." Marija Pavlovic.

15. Marija does not deny that she gave her first statement. Rev. T. Vlasic sought statements from her many times and this obviously turns out to be manipulating with one of the "seers". So we can conclude that Marija has consciously spoken falsehoods on the first or second occasion. She has lied and this she attributes to Our Lady. It is evident that she (Marija) is a toy in Rev. Vlasic's hands. This was clear to me even earlier yet up till now, I didn't have material proof to back this up. Rev. T. Vlasic has manipulated with all the "seers" in the same fashion. Under this type of manipulation Marija saw how Our Lady cried when someone mentioned the bishop at a prayer meeting: "From Our Lady's eye flowed forth a great tear. The tear ran down her face and disappeared into a cloud under her feet. Our Lady began to cry and she ascended to heaven crying" (Aug. 22, 1984). An obvious fabrication by Rev. T. Vlasic intended to frighten the bishop.

Why don't the defenders of Medjugorje mention these two statements of Marija? Must these "ugly" things be hidden from the world because there are many "conversions" in Medjugorje? (Laurentin). Laurentin writes in his book Dernieres Nouvelles 3, on page 27, that a certain monsignor asked Marija to pray for a message from Our Lady for his priests. Marija answered: "Our Lady said that they should read Laurentin's book and spread it around"!

It is a terrible sin to attribute one's own lies to Our Lady. When the world learns of this, who will believe them anymore? They have been discredited. No one can destroy this material evidence. It will be reproduced and spread by word of mouth. I know well that there are many who disregard such material. They accept the events of Medjugorje irrationally, with great emotion and with personal interests. They are blind, but these documents will remain a part of the history of the Church and of Mariology.

16. The "seer" Ivan Dragicevic. Regarding the "great sign", Vicka mentions this 13 times in the diaries, 14 times it is mentioned in the Parish chronicle, 52 times on the cassettes, and innumerous times in talks with the bishop. In the spring of 1982, I asked the "seers" to write everything they knew about the sign without making the "secret" public. The way I suggested they do it was to write down information on paper in duplicate. Then this would be sealed in an envelope and a copy would remain with them, and one with the bishop. When the "sign" occurs, then we would open the envelopes and see whether or not the "sign" was predicted. Rev. Tomislav Vlasic, pastor of Medjugorje at the time, told the "seers" to say that Our Lady said not to write anything down for nobody, and so they didn't. Ivan Dragicevic was in the franciscan minor seminary at Visoko, Bosna at that time and he wasn't informed of this on time. Two members of the first Commission, Dr. M. Zovkic and Dr. Z. Puljic (now bishop of Dubrovnik), went to visit Ivan in Visoko. They gave him a sheet of paper which was somewhat greenish in color with questions typed out on it. Ivan wrote down the content of the "sign", dated the document and signed it in their presence without a word or any sign of fear. A few years later, Laurentin wrote that Ivan told him personally that he wrote absolutely nothing down on that sheet of paper and that he tricked the two members of the Commission. On March 7, 1985, three members of the Commission went to ask Ivan if what Laurentin writes is true. Ivan said it was true and that they could freely go ahead and open the envelope in the chancery office because in it they will only find a white sheet of paper. They came back to Mostar where the Commission was having a meeting and before all the members, they opened the envelope. In the envelope on a greenish sheet of paper they found written the content of the sign: Our Lady said that she would leave a sign. The content of this sign I reveal to your trust. The sign is that there will be a great shrine in Medjugorje in honor of my apparitions, a shrine to my image. When will this occur? The sign will occur in June.

Dated: May 9, 1982. Seer: Ivan Dragicevic.
After having heard this lie, the members of the first Commission wanted to end all further work, yet they stayed on. Within a few days of this event Rev. Slavko Barbaric OFM, took the "seers" somewhere and instructed them all, including Ivan, to write a declaration that Ivan did not disclose the sign!
Ivan sent messages from Our Lady to the bishop. On April 24, 1984 Our Lady said the following regarding the bishop: "My son Jesus is praying for him so that he (the bishop) would believe and therefore take better action in favor of Medjugorje." She added: "How would he react if my son were to appear on earth? Would he then believe?"
Regarding the Commission, Our Lady says only the following: "Pray, pray, pray! Think over and live the messages I have given and you will see why I have come." Ivan Dragicevic, Medjugorje.

17. "Tell the bishop that I seek a quick conversion from him towards the happenings in Medjugorje before it's too late. May he accept these events with plenty of love, understanding and great responsibility. I want him to avoid creating conflicts between priests and to stop publicizing their negative behaviors. The Holy father has given all bishops the duty to fulfill certain tasks in their respective dioceses. Among these, bishops are to solve problems and arguments. The bishop is the spiritual father of all the parishes in Herzegovina. For this reason I seek his conversion towards these events. I am sending my second-last warning. If what I seek does not come about, my judgment and the judgment of my Son await the bishop. This means that he has not found the way to my Son Jesus." Our Lady told me to give you this message.

With greetings.
Bijakovici June 21, 1983.
Rev. Tomislav Vlasic brought this document to me, which he more than likely wrote himself in a moment of exaltation.

18. Ivan kept his own diary of the apparitions for a couple of years. This has not been revealed as Vicka's has not, nor the writings of the others. These are original fonts of the events, yet they are full of naive statements, clear falsehoods and absurdities. They are good proof of the fact that the "seers" do not see Our Lady or receive messages from her. These messages were written by someone else and they were given to Ivan for him to sign as his own. When Rev. Grafenauer brought excerpts from Vicka's diary to me, I later on asked Vicka to bring her diary to me. She wrote to me on May 7, 1983: "I have found out that excerpts from my diary are being distributed..." This was a very important point which the Commission accepted as good argument that the diary was written by Vicka herself or that she considered it her own. Later on, Rev. T. Vlasic, also came to this conclusion, and therefore in 1984, he declared before the Commission and myself, that Vicka did not write that letter to me but rather, that a franciscan did (probably Vlasic himself) and that he gave it to her to sign! There are many similar examples of manipulation, but none have such clear cut evidence as this.

19. Secrets and secrecy. From the beginning of the "apparitions", the "seers", (obviously having been instructed in order to escape being controlled) have said that "Our Lady" speaks differently to each of them. When the "secrets" were fabricated, each was to have his/her own (60 in total) and no one was to reveal them to anyone. Mirjana and Ivanka received a letter from Our Lady which nobody was to read. In the beginning there were no moments of ecstasy nor avoiding the community. They spoke publicly and were spoken to. They only avoided the Commission. After having admitted that they were consulted, they asked "Our Lady" if they could write down the content of the "great sign" on paper and seal it in an envelope. "Our Lady" responded: NO! Ivan though, wrote down the sign and later on he said (which has been taped as well) that "Our Lady" did not scold him for doing this. The secrets were to be given to a priest (a franciscan). Why were they not given to the Commission, the bishop, or to the Pope? In the first months they often said that the "great sign" would come: very soon, quickly, and so on... When the first year ended, they changed their tone. Vicka wrote "Our Lady's life" for a year and a half, and this is a great secret which shall be published "when Our Lady permits." The Commission asked for this diary about Our Lady, yet "Our Lady" did not comply with their demand. Can the Commission just see the diary without taking it or opening it? No it cannot! This turns out to be a plot to make fools out of all those who are naive enough to wait for this sign until the end of the world. I have already declared earlier and now I repeat the same declaration that if Our Lady leaves a sign which the "seers" are speaking of, I'll make a pilgrimage from Mostar to Medjugorje (30 km) on my knees and beg the franciscans and the "seers" for forgiveness.

20. Slander against the bishop. "The bishop also believed in the beginning". This is not true! While the communists were persecuting the franciscans, the "seers" and pilgrims, I defended all of them and therefore I did not change my mind "because of threats by the Republic commission or because the diocesan priests sought this from me." This is simply fabricated slander by many. While I was publicly defending the imprisoned franciscans, Rev. Jozo Zovko said during the investigations that the bishop is a 'wolf' and a 'hypocrite'. These are the exact words written down in his sentence. Zovko's lawyer, Vukovic, asked through a colleague what I had done to Zovko to deserve such heavy accusations. Rev. T. Vlasic often put "Our Lady's" words into the mouths of the "seers", such as "Our Lady's" affirmation that satan (in this case the bishop) is out to destroy her plan. He wrote this more clearly in a letter to friends in the Vatican. I complained about this accusation that he has called the bishop satan, in front of Vlasic and his Provincial. He did not deny my objection but rather, he justified his words by saying that he wrote this while under the influence of extreme emotion. A person can say something while under emotion, but this cannot be written down and translated into foreign languages.

21. By their fruits. The most common argument of the defenders of Medjugorje is that the fruits of the events in Medjugorje prove that Our Lady is appearing there. Those who know a bit more than the pilgrims who come to Medjugorje say: the fruits of the staunchest defenders of Medjugorje show that they themselves do not believe in the apparitions. If all the "ugly things" could be made public then surely the answer would be clearly negative to everyone. Yet, Laurentin, Rupcic, Vlasic, Barbaric and others meticulously hide the truth. If the defenders of Medjugorje come across someone who is skeptical of the apparitions, they quickly isolate this person, accuse him of something or declare him mad (J.L. Martin). The majority of the pious public has naively fallen victim of the great propaganda, the talk of the apparitions and healings. These people themselves have become the greatest propaganda for the events. They do not even stop to think that the truth has been hidden by deliberate falsehoods. They do not know that not one miraculous healing has occurred that could have been verified by competent experts and institutions such as the "Bureau medical de Lourdes". No one knows of any healed from Herzegovina. Everyone knows that little Daniel, old Jozo Vasilj, Venka Brajcic and others cited in the first books about Medjugorje were not healed.

22. Promises of healings are characteristic of the events. When they don't occur as promised, then they are denied because they were never taped or written down on paper. There have been many promises that have ended tragically. What interests us is whether or not "Our Lady" is giving these promises, or whether or not they are thought up by the "seers". The tragic end of Marko Blazevic as described by the retired archbishop of Belgrade, Msgr. Turk, says much regarding "promises" of healing. The archbishop writes May 22, 1984, that he was received as a patient of the Cardiology clinic at the Belgrade hospital. The archbishop received the bed that was previously occupied by Marko Blazevic of Buna, near Mostar, who was to go in for an operation. Mr. Blazevic told the archbishop and many other patients, doctors and hospital staff that Our Lady had promised, through the "seers", that the operation would succeed. A nun who assisted in the operating room, wrote to me later that Blazevic's wife and his daughter spoke to her with a fanatical type of faith in "Our Lady's promise". A certain doctor was also convinced in this promise. The patient did not wake up after the operation. During the operation, a group of patients prayed fervently outside the doors of the operating room. Many spoke of this incident which left many very disappointed and ashamed before people of other faiths and atheists. Rev. T. Vlasic, in his typical fashion of hiding the truth, succeeding in convincing the daughter of the late Mr. Blazevic, to go to the bishop to tell him that Our Lady only told them to pray, not that she promised them that the operation would succeed!!! I told her not to make a liar out of her late father or liars of the others to whom he spoke to.

23. The franciscan and diocesan clergy. The relations between the franciscan and diocesan clergy regarding pastoral duties in the parishes of Herzegovina were established by a Decision of the Holy See in 1899 by the suggestions of the franciscans themselves and then bishop Paskal Buconjic OFM. According to this Decision the parishes were to be divided equally into two groups of 50% of the faithful between the clergy. Since there were no diocesan clergy at the time, the parishes that rightfully belonged to them were in 1923 left to the franciscans "ad nutum S. Sedis". Bishop Cule, the first diocesan bishop of Mostar, in 1948 was sentenced to 11 years and 6 months in jail. He served eight and a half years of this sentence before being released. After his jail term the number of diocesan clergy began to rise. In 1968, the Holy See ordered the franciscans to hand over five parishes to the diocesan clergy. They barely gave two parishes. In 1975 after many years of talks and consultations a Decree of the Holy See was issued regarding the division of parishes in Herzegovina. The franciscans publicly and collectively denounced this Decree even though they administer over 80 % of the faithful in the diocese of Mostar. In 1976, due to disobedience, the hierarchy of the franciscan Province along with then Provincial Silic, lost their authority and since then, the Province has been without its independence, and the General of the Order rules directly over the Province "ad instar". Another penalty was that in 1979, the franciscans from Herzegovina were not allowed to participate in the election of the General. The first point mentioned by the new General of the Order to his brothers in Herzegovina was: 'the development or creation of obedience to, and cooperation with the bishop in Herzegovina'. Disobedience prevails today as before, and "Our Lady" from the beginning has been defending disobedient franciscans. Vicka writes in her diary of the apparitions, that Our Lady said that the bishop is to blame for all the disorder in Herzegovina. (See no. 9). This is repeated many times. The franciscans themselves are divided. The franciscan opposition that defends Medjugorje succeeded in toppling their own "ad instar" superiors that developed good relations with the bishop, and they installed a group that defends Medjugorje. The new Provincial "ad instar", Rev. Jozo Vasilj, did not succeed in creating peace and order amongst his brothers so he escaped to the missions in Zaire and won't come back! (Fruits?!) He has been replaced by the Vice Provincial and the General has called for obedience from all or else the Province shall be abolished. "It is time that everyone take their own personal responsibility before judicial sanctions are made or the Province is abolished." (Acta Ordinis F.M. fasc. 1/89). The Province will not receive its own hierarchy until the Decree is completed. Three visitors of the OFM Order who came to the Province in 1988, said that there is not one franciscan in the Province who is in favor of completing the Decree. This opinion is exaggerated yet still important.

24. This is only a portion of the "good fruits" of the events. The pilgrims, though, only know that the bishop "hates the franciscans". There are a good number of franciscans in the Province who cooperate well with the bishop and these franciscans do not believe in the apparitions either. Some of them have never set foot in Medjugorje.

A number of good franciscans have begged me to write something so that together, we could start a battle against the lies of Medjugorje because they believe that "God will punish us franciscans severely because we have spread lies and falsehoods throughout the world and made money on them".

Of the one hundred diocesan priests in the dioceses of Herzegovina, not one believes in the apparitions. Of the 42 bishops of Yugoslavia (ordinaries, auxiliaries and retired), only one has been outspoken in declaring his belief and has defended the events. Of the 15 members of the first Commission, which was formed by the bishop of Mostar with the help of there(?) bishops and provincials from Yugoslavia, 11 of the members said that there is nothing supernatural in the events of Medjugorje, 2 (franciscans) claimed that the apparitions are authentic, 1 member said that there was something "in nucleo" (in the beginning) and 1 abstained. That which the Commission worked on for three years, the Holy See (contrary to what has been spread by the defenders of Medjugorje) never asked for, or saw, or gave a judgment of. Neither did the Holy See abandon the bishop.

25. From the beginning of the events I warned the franciscans that they must wait for the judgment of the Church, so that together we can search for the truth. The leaders of the events though, had as their aim to bring the masses as soon as possible to Medjugorje, obtain a lot of money for propaganda and use Our Lady for their battle against the bishop. They fabricated miracles regarding the sun. Many pilgrims damaged their eyes from staring into the sun. They cited 50, 150, 200 and 300 healings and they spoke of all sorts of things seeing that the faithful believed everything they said, especially when archbishop F. Franic and Laurentin were there to back them up. The faithful in Medjugorje look upon the events as they are instructed, as is the case in all other places of apparitions be they true or false. The marveling and excitement here has been regarded at times as leading to great blindness and fanaticism.

26. The Italians know well the "story" of Gigliole Ebe Giorgini, the foundress of the false order of "Pia Opera di Gesu Misericordioso". Separated and remarried civilly, she spent time doing quackery. She gathered young women for their order and she received and earned great amounts of money. She had two priests in her service and many houses. She led a double life and had false stigmata which she made herself. Her "sisters" followed her fanatically and they called her Mamma Ebe. She had male vocations as well, but some who left her later on, declared that she led an immoral life. She had many jewels and gold, two yachts, 32 furs, etc. Many in the Church objected to her way of life, while others fanatically defended her, citing good fruits. She even received praise from two bishops. Twice during the night police raided her room in the mother house and they found her in bed with one of her seminarians. A scandal broke out and she was sentenced twice to many years in prison along with a franciscan who was her confessor. The press wrote for years about this scandal. An illicit film was made as well, yet her followers fanatically and blindly defended her even when the order fell apart. According to them, she was a saint who attracted many vocations and this was argument enough for many that from the "fruits" she was obviously inspired by God! Religious blindness is extremely hard to cure. Fanaticism brought the beginning of the heresies in the church, today it's the foundation of sects.

The Protestant pastor Rev. Jim Jones developed a great charitable organization in southern Chicago and he gathered great sums of money and many fanatical followers of his sect. In order to be freer in their work, about 1000 of them, went to Guyana, South America where they established "Jonestown" as their new home. They established a dictatorship and fanatical obedience to their "Messiah". Much was written about terrible things that went on, about the immorality of Jones and how some tried to escape the community but were caught and killed. Then they were without money. Rumors spread that the American army would intervene, so Jones ordered them to retreat to the jungle. Seeing no way out, he called on everyone to give up their lives in order to travel to eternity. Over 900 of them came with cups to a huge pot in order to drink poison and then fell dead. What gave them the strength to commit suicide? Fanaticism! Yet when the Christian faithful hear of apparitions and miracles they easily accept these events as facts without being at all critical of the events. They are then caught up in their blindness and fanaticism. Whatever is spoken is believed automatically, such as, that ordinary rosaries in Medjugorje turn to gold! And people actually believe this!

27. This blindness towards the events in Medjugorje has also caught some priests and bishops. Many priests from Italy, (such as Amorth, Rostral and others), easily could have heard that the bishop, the Commission, the bishops of Yugoslavia, a portion of the franciscans and all the diocesan priests do not believe in the events. Yet, they avoided the truth, even though I received everyone who inquired about the events and gave them my time. I'm particularly surprised by the lack of collegiality by some bishops. Nobody has to accept my judgment, but everyone is obligated by conscience to study well the events of Medjugorje before taking a portion, especially if that person has a position of authority in the Church, as bishops do.

"What have they done to you Our Lady!" For nine years they have been dragging you along as a tourist attraction. They have been speaking with you whenever it pleased them, as if you were a bank teller. They have fabricated messages, and they say that you come and appear there, but beyond their own arguments they have nothing to prove that what they say is true. The whole world is in expectation of a "great sign" and the naive still wait and believe. Unfortunately this false sensation will bring great disgrace and scandal upon the Church. Those who lead the events are not converting even though the threat of the abolition of the Province by the General hangs over them.

This is only a small compilation of that which I would like to write about. Hopefully, I will have the opportunity to expand further, with precise documentation and publish a book on these events.

28. There are many prayers and pious activities in Medjugorje. Some say that there have been conversions as well. I have received indeed many truly touching letters, and I feel sorry for those who will sooner or later be disappointed. But there has also been fanaticism, superstition and misinformation in the events of Medjugorje. I have also received many rude accusations in the mail which I cannot mention, all in the name of the "Queen of Peace". That which is positive in these events cannot justify the falsehoods and lies that have been spread in order to win the world over for God. Jesus said: "I have come into the world to witness to the truth." The Church would easily be able to attract the masses if it dropped the sixth commandment, if divorce were allowed, if it let everyone believe and do what they wanted. But, Jesus went on the cross for the truth, and the martyrs gave up their lives for the truth. St. Paul writes to his faithful: "If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed." (Gal 1,9). Today, many prayer groups all over the world pray from Rev. Ivica Vego's prayer book and meditate over the supposed messages of Our Lady as it these things were more important than the Bible and the teaching Magisterium of the Church. I do believe despite these events, th

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Jozo Zovko, the living Saint of Medjugorje

There is a big controversy in the Roman Catholic Church, but it is not so that all priest have sex-affairs with little Choir- or Altarboys

Thank God that there are known hetrosexal priests as well, and one of these outstanding persons is father Jozo Zovko o.f.m., the curate in Medjugorje when the apparitions of the Mother of God (known as the ‘Gospa’ started in June 1981. The Utmost Holy immediately recognized the greatness of Father Jozo. Just a few moths after Her first apparition, on October 21 1981 the’ Gospa’ said that this Franciscan Zovko is a ‘ saint’.

It was a Belgian Medjugorje-fan, called Mark Waterinckx, who started a sleazy campaign about assumed sex affairs of Father Jozo. Waterinckx knowledge was only based on hearsay about hetero sex-affairs with adult woman only. Without knowing the reason why Jozo was suspended,. he published about it in French, Italian, English, German, Dutch, Croatian. Claiming he know all bout these suspensions of Jozo.

Since the motives for the sanctions against Zovko were not made public, we must try to answer delicate questions. More interesting might be to find an answer on what fuelled the Belgian Waterinckx to start such an international hate campaign against Father Jozo.

Resulting in temporarily suspensions of clerical services by bishop Zanic in 1989 and by bishop Peric in 1994. That Jozo has been suspended only two times, can hardly be marked as sound reason to proclaim him a sex maniac, as Waterinckx does. Recognized Saints as Padre Pio were suspended many more times..

Before pointing at Father Jozo Zovko, you must know that the Belgian Mr. Waterinckx was a real Medjugorje-freak, who went no less than 24 times to this sanctuary near Mostar to venerate the apparitions of the Gospa. He experienced there “a kind of collective psychosis” and developed “a fanatic faith, which does not tolerate any contradiction.” So you are warned. Waterinckx lowered himself to coarse lies, manipulations and flinging mud at Jozo Zovko.

The title of an anonym article about the “Waterinckx Investigation” on the website of the extreme conservative Unity Publishing was “The ‘ Saint ‘ Jozo Zovko And His Many Sex-Affairs”

You have to deal with evidence as: “In 1986 already a Dutch business-man who lived in Yugoslavia said to Mark Waterinckx that Jozo had a special interest for beautiful ladies “

As if this is a sin, and great secret. And who is that anonymous Dutch businessman? How he found out?

On the suspencion of Jozo in 1989 by bishop Zanic we read: “Officially it was not mentioned, but insiders do know”.
Yeah, guess who is this insider?
Right! Mr. Waterinckx himself!

As: “Bishop Peric himself spoke during a tape-recorded interview with Mark Waterinckx on August 4 1997 about these 2 suspensions”. We do not learn what Peric said about the sexlife of Jozo, just that he “later repeated (his interview on tape) in letters” to a Dutch villagepriest “and to the Rector of the Basilica National Shrine of Our Lady in Washington” and that as “a result of these 2 last letters, it was forbidden to Jozo Zovko even to enter the church”.

And that on October 15 1996 “the bishop of Mostar had confirmed to Mark Waterinckx by letter the suspensions of Frs. Jozo Zovko and Leonard Orec” and more smoke, but still no word about why Father Jozo was suspended.

This article puts Waterinckx in a specialist-position with even more smoke. “In 1994 already Mgr. Peric had sent the ‘declarata’ to Jozo himself and warned all dioceses of Bosnia-Hercegovina and put the official publication in his diocesan bulletin “ Crkva na Kamenu “ (“ The Church on the Rock”)”.

Very interesting, but why?

The anonym article about ‘ Saint ‘ Jozo Zovko And His Many Sex-Affairs” states that Jozo was since 1984 Mark’s confessor.

“At that time Mark was shocked and scandalized by such a slander. But later more and more such rumours came to his ears.”

So in the summer of 1989 an American woman came to Waterinckx “and told him with all details how Jozo had sexually assaulted her”.

This American lived with three other girls in the parishhousing of Zovko in Tihaljina, a village 32 km from the sanctuary in Medjugorje.

A rather safe place for girls, as most of the priest there are at least latent homosexual and heavy into penitention. There is a local saying: If you like to suffer, go to Tihaljina.

Instead of informing the police about this assault, Waterinckx went the next day to Jozo to tell him what the American woman told him.

Zovko denied everything but was “pale and in a terrible state”. he was terrified and “ lied 3 times” about the girl.

More interesting is the statement that the Franciscan lived with “4 young girls (!)” in his parish of Tihaljina.

According to the article one of those four stated that nothing had happened, but “Mark was very worried about Jozo’s behavior.”

So the next day Waterinckx “decided to walk (partially barefoot) the 32 km. to Tihaljina.”

When he arrived, Jozo “was cynical” about the “severe burns of Mark’s feet ( what resulted in 10 days of hospital)” and since then “Jozo will say that Mark and all the girls and women who accuse him are crazy.”

What else can you say on all this hearsay?

We wanna know facts, not whispering!

Mark Waterinckx however, did not helped the girl to legal action against the of rape accused priest, but told the story to the curate of Medjugorje,” but he “seemed unconcerned”.

More concerning is the serious scandalizing of the secret of confession. The unknown author of the article: “But meanwhile the American girl had told her nightmare to her confessor, the American Fr. Filip Pavic”, who also refused the girl to undertake legal action, but contacted Waterinckx “and told him that he had already heard different similar accusations against Jozo earlier.”

So we are involted in sleazy accusations in a so called “Jozo’s sex-problem”.Also the American Pavic “really puzzled”, refused to undertake legal action. Instead he told another priest about what he heard. “who immediately shouted 2 times: He did it again!” according to this anonymous article.

Waterinxk continued to spread the rumors about Jozo. “When Mark spoke later to Frs. Ljudevit Rupcic and Slavko Barbaric” and “these 2 Franciscans seemed to be very embarrassed”.

So they just seem to be? Who wrote this article? What is the reason that Waterinkcx refused to undertake legal. Why this raped American woman did not undertake action against her assaulter? . The more as, according to Mark Waterinkcx, there are many more “Sex Problems in Medjugorje.”

This article contributed by Jane Turner.





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The ‘ Saint ‘ Jozo Zovko And His Many Sex-Affairs

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There is a big controversy around Fr. Jozo Zovko o.f.m. He was the curate in Medjugorje when the ‘ apparitions’ started in June 1981. Already on October 21 1981 the’ Gospa’ said that Zovko is a ‘ saint’. But in reality this Franciscan has been suspended already twice. A first time by bishop Zanic on August 23 1989(diocesan letter Nr. 622/89) and a second time by bishop Peric on June 14 1994 (diocesan letter Nr. 423/94).

Many Medjugorje-fans go crazy when they hear about these suspensions of their ‘ saint’, but nobody has the courage to put these two questions to Fr. Jozo : 1- Is it true that you have been suspended ? 2- For what reason have you been suspended ? Let’s now try to answer these delicate questions.

The fact that Jozo has been suspended has already been published in many languages i.e. french, italian, english, german, dutch… in more than 10 occasions. Mark Waterinckx, who went 24 times to Medjugorje, has this list. Even the French priest and big promoter of Medjugorje, Fr. René Laurentin, wrote in his book “ Dernières Nouvelles de Medjugorje “The 15 of June 1996 on p.34 that, since the motives for the severe sanctions against Zovko were not made public, it must be serious. Also Fr. Slavko Barbaric (another Franciscan already declared ‘ saint’ by the Gospa one day after his death !) confirmed in a tape-recorded interview with Mark Waterinckx on August 8 1997 that Jozo was suspended twice.

Bishop Peric himself spoke during a tape-recorded interview with Mark Waterinckx on August 4 1997 about these 2 suspensions, what he later repeated in letters to the Dutch priest Fr. Rudo Franken on February 7 2000 (prot. 131/2000) and to the Rector of the Basilica National Shrine of Our Lady in Washington, Mgr. Michael Bransfield on November 18 2002 (prot. 1942/2002). As a result of these 2 last letters, it was forbidden to Jozo Zovko even to enter the church. Already on October 15 1996 (prot. 1405/96) the bishop of Mostar had confirmed to Mark Waterinckx by letter the suspensions of Frs. Jozo Zovko and Leonard Orec.

In 1994 already Mgr. Peric had sent the ‘declarata’ to Jozo himself and warned all dioceses of Bosnia-Hercegovina and put the official publication in his diocesan bulletin “ Crkva na Kamenu “ (“ The Church on the Rock”)

Second question : Why has Jozo been suspended in 1989 by bishop Zanic ? Officially it was not mentioned, but insiders do know. In 1986 already a dutch business-man who lived in Yugoslavia said to Mark Waterinckx “ that Jozo had a special interest for beautiful ladies “

At that time Mark was shocked and scandalized by “ such a slander “. But later more and more such rumours came to his ears. In the summer of 1989 an American girl came to him and told him with all details how Jozo had sexually assaulted her. Next day Mark went to Tihaljina to confront Jozo with this story. Zovko denied everything but was pale and in a terrible state. He trembled and accused his good friend Mark ( since 1984 he was Mark’s confessor) of bringing him in such a situation while the church was full of pilgrims waiting for his service. He lied 3 times about the girl and let Anka swear that nothing had happened. Anka was one of the 4 young girls (!) who lived together with this Franciscan in that time in the parish of Tihaljina… Mark was very worried about Jozo’s behavior.

Next day, after praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament in Medjugorje, he decided to walk (partially barefoot) the 32 km. to Tihaljina. But this time Jozo had regained his composure. In spite of the severe burns of Mark’s feet ( what resulted in 10 days of hospital) , Jozo was cynical and laughed at him. Since then, Jozo will say that Mark and all the girls and women who accuse him are crazy. When Mark told the whole story to the then curate of Medjugorje, Fr. Leonard Orec, this collegue of Jozo seemed unconcerned. But meanwhile the American girl had told her nightmare to her confessor, the American Fr. Filip Pavic.

This Franciscan contacted Mark and told him that he had already heard different similar accusations against Jozo earlier. Also Pavic was really puzzled and told about Jozo’s sex-problem to Fr. Svetozar Kraljevic, who immediately shouted 2 times : “ He did it AGAIN !”

Also this Franciscan had already confronted Jozo with accusations from other women , but Zovko denied everything. When Mark spoke later to Frs. Ljudevit Rupcic and Slavko Barbaric about ‘ Medjugorje’s best kept secret ‘, these 2 Franciscans seemed to be very embarrassed with the whole problem around Jozo.

Bishop Peric told Mark (on tape-recorder) that since it was forbidden by bishop Zanic in 19989 to Jozo to hear confessions and since Jozo still continued, that Jozo was suspended ‘latae sententiae’ (automatically) a divinis because of pertinacious disobedience.

Other Sex Problems in Medjugorje

But Jozo Zovko is not the only Franciscan in Medjugorje having sex-problems. Fr. Tomislav Vlasic ( the creator of Medjugorje, says bishop Zanic), had made Sister Rufina ( Manda Kozul) pregnant already in 1976. The child Toni was born in Germany on January 25 1977.

And when Mark Waterinckx, in an August 8 tape-recorded conversation with Fr. Slavko Barbaric, spoke about the rebel-Franciscan Ivica Vego, suspended by the church but supported by the Gospa, and said that this ex-Franciscan was now father of 4 children with an ex-nun Sr. Leopolda. Slavko shouted : “No! Five children already !!!”


en eindelijk:

Pope Finally Launches Crackdown on World's Largest Illicit Catholic Shrine and Suspends "Dubious" Priest

By Simon Caldwell
Daily Mail

September 3, 2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1052230/Pope-finally-launches-crackdown-worlds-largest-illicit-Catholic-shrine-suspends-dubious-priest.html

The Pope has begun a crackdown on the world’s largest illicit Catholic shrine – by suspending the priest at the centre of claims that the Virgin Mary has appeared more than 40,000 times.

Benedict XVI has authorised ‘severe cautionary and disciplinary measures’ against Father Tomislav Vlasic, the former ‘spiritual director’ to six children who said Our Lady was appearing to them at Medjugorje in Bosnia.

The Franciscan priest has been suspended after he refused to cooperate into claims of scandalous sexual immorality ‘aggravated by mystical motivations’.

He has also been accused of ‘the diffusion of dubious doctrine, manipulation of consciences, suspected mysticism and disobedience towards legitimately issued orders’, and is suspected of heresy and schism.

Crackdown: Pope Benedict XVI has authorised 'severe cautionary and disciplinary measures' against Father Tomislav Vlasic

Father Vlasic was a central figure in promoting the apparitions that allegedly began in 1981 and continue to this day.

In 1984 he boasted to Pope John Paul II that he was the one ‘who through divine providence guides the seers of Medjugorje’ and the visionaries even said that the Virgin had told them he was a living saint.

But the Bosnian cleric later took a back seat when it emerged that he had fathered a child with a nun called Sister Rufina, and that he refused to leave his order to marry her but instead begged her not to expose him.

Father Vlasic then moved to Parma, Italy, where he set up a mixed male and female religious community, called Queen of Peace, which was dedicated to the Medjugorje apparitions.

Medjugorje has grown to become the most visited unauthorised Catholic shrine in the world, attracting hundreds of thousands of pilgrims a year, including many from the UK and Ireland.

Manipulated? pilgrims pray in Medjugorje, Bosnia

But the local bishops are convinced the claims are bogus and in 2006 complained directly to Pope Benedict.

This led to a Vatican investigation which turned the spotlight on the role of Father Vlasic.

The priest has now been suspended by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith after he refused to cooperate with the inquiry into his conduct, instead ‘justifying himself by citing his zealous activity’ in initiating religious communities and building churches the Medjugorje area.

The decree confirming his suspension was signed with the Pope’s approval by Cardinal William Levada, head of CDF, and Father Jose Carballo, the Minister General of the Franciscan Minor Order.

It confines Father Vlasic to a Francisan monastery in Italy and bans him from contact with the Queen of Peace community, or with his lawyers without permission from his superior.

He is banned from making public appearances, preaching and hearing confessions and he will be required to make a solemn profession of the Catholic faith.

The Vatican has warned Father Vlasic that he will be excommunicated if he violates any of the prohibitions.

The action was taken earlier this year but was made public this week by the Bishop of Mostar, Ratko Peric, at the request of the Vatican, to make local people to be aware of the priest’s status.

Strong belief: About 20,000 pilgrims at Medjugorje in 2001 celebrating the twentieth anniversary of when six children said they had seen the virgin there

Father Vlasic is the second spiritual adviser to the seers to be suspended from his ministry. The other, Father Jozo Zovko, was suspended by Bishop Peric in 2004.

It represents a massive blow to millions of Medjugorje followers worldwide who were hoping that the Vatican investigation would legitimise the shrine.

Earlier this year, Italian Bishop Andrea Gemma denounced the Medjugorje claims as the ‘work of the Demon’ and predicted that ‘soon the Vatican will intervene with something explosive to unmask once and for all who is behind this deceit’.

The phenomenon began on 25 June 1981 when six children – Mirjana Dragicevic, Marija Pavlovic, Vicka Ivankovic, Ivan Dragicevic, Ivanka Ivankovic and Jakov Colo – told a priest they had seen the Virgin on a hillside near their town.

Three Church commissions failed to find evidence to support their claims and the bishops of the former Yugoslavia finally declared that ‘it cannot be affirmed that these matters concern supernatural apparitions or revelations’.

In 1985 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger – now Pope Benedict – banned pilgrimages to the site, but this has been widely ignored.

Instead the seers have grown wealthy as a result of their claims – and so has their town, which has boomed as a result of the ‘Madonna gold rush’.

Some today own smart executive houses with immaculate gardens, double garages and security gates, and one has a tennis court.

They also own expensive cars and have married – one of them, Ivan Dragicevic, to an American former beauty queen.



en morgen krijgen jullie de officiêle brieven van de bisschop van Mostar die bevoegd is voor de streek van Medjugorje over deze mirakels en verschijningen die de franciskanen ons willen verkopen...


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In deze woelige tijden waarin we moeten vernemen dat Belgische legerkapiteins aanslagen beramen op koningin Fabiola omdat ze soldaten zou hebben verkracht kunnen we niks anders dan geloven in mirakels en bovennatuurlijke krachten. Dat is slechts één van de vele redenen waarom we ons interesseren aan Medjugorje. Maar helaas blijkt onze brave pater een sabbatjaar ingelast te hebben. Op het Isidorusweb of de portal voor surfende katholieken (we vinden het echt niet zelf uit) vinden we wat meer uitleg. Vooral weer maar eens over onze franciskanen die eigenlijk steeds meer beginnen te lijken op echte satanisten als je het ons vraagt. Maar omdat we evenmin in de grote satan geloven als in een ander meer positiever opperwezen, zwijgen we hier maar zedig...

http://www.isidorusweb.nl/asp/default.asp?t=weblog_detail&weblog_id=5903




Koningin van de Vrede: in Hrasno of in Medjugorje?

Zowel het Bosnische Hrasno als Medjugorje zijn plaatsen van Mariaverering. De ene is erkend, maar onbekend. De andere is niet erkend, maar immens populair. Het lijkt op een strijd om de titel Koningin van de Vrede, vindt Mark Waterinckx.

Hrasno wordt ook wel het Fatima van Hercegovina genoemd. Het officieel erkende heiligdom van de Koningin van de Vrede ligt op veertig kilometer van Medjugorje, dat haar eigen Koningin van de Vrede heeft. Hrasno is vier jaar eerder dan het begin van Medjugorje in 1981 opgericht. Medjugorje is nooit door de Heilige Stoel erkend en ook de nationale bisschoppenconferentie en de bisschop van Mostar erkennen de verschijningen in Medjugorje niet. Beide plaatsen vallen onder het bisdom Mostar-Duvno.

Hrasno ligt in het bisdom Trebinje. Het bisdom Trebinje had tot 1819 een eigen bisschopszetel. Tot 1890 werd het bisdom toevertrouwd aan de bisschop van Dubrovnik en vervolgens aan de bisschop van Mostar-Duvno die nu de apostolische administrator van Trebinje is. De twee bisdommen functioneren als één geheel onder de bevoegdheid van de bisschop van Mostar.

Het idee voor een Mariaheiligdom in Hrasno kwam oorspronkelijk van de lokale pastoor, mgr. Stjepan Batinovic. Vanaf het begin van zijn pastoraat in 1947 wilde hij een ereplaats voor Maria bouwen. Er waren een aantal redenen waarom de pastoor dat wilde. Een eerste reden is historisch van aard. In verband met de voortdurende onrust in het gebied voelde hij de drang voor gebed ter ere van Maria, Koningin van de Vrede. Tegelijkertijd zijn er drie religies in het gebied (katholiek, orthodox en moslim), waardoor het heiligdom interreligieuze dialoog kon bevorden. Een derde reden is cultureel-economisch: om de mensen er van te weerhouden naar het buitenland te emigreren of om ver te moeten reizen voor een bedevaartplaats.

OLV Koningin van de Vrede in Hrasno

OLV Koningin van de Vrede in Medjugorje
In 1957 liet Batinovic op de binnenplaats van de pastorie een kleine grot voor Onze Lieve Vrouw van Lourdes bouwen. In 1975 was hij van plan om een groot heiligdom op de berg Budisavina te bouwen, maar dat ging niet volgens plan. Daarom begon hij prompt de heuvel Gradina naast de kerk van Hrasno voor te bereiden voor zijn project. Uiteindelijk werd het heiligdom van de Koningin van de Vrede in 1977 opgericht. Op 8 mei 1977 zegende de bisschop van Mostar mgr. Cule het nieuwe beeld van Onze Lieve Vrouw Koningin van de Vrede, in aanwezigheid van drie andere bisschoppen, veertig priesters en vijfduizend gelovigen.

“De belangrijkste reden hiervan is dat men in Hrasno Onze Lieve Vrouw, Koningin van de Vrede, wilde vragen om verzoening van de mensen die in dit gebied wonen en voor de eenheid van de kerk. De Gospa van Medjugorje neemt het vanaf het begin op voor een aantal Franciscanen die tegen de bisschop van Mostar rebelleren en tegen het decreet "Romanis Ponificibus' door paus Paulus VI van 6 juni 1975,” zegt Mark Waterinckx, die de ontwikkelingen in Medjugorje met een kritisch oog volgt.

Waterinckx zegt hierover: “Reeds in de tachtiger jaren, toen ik met de bus op weg was van Medjugorje naar Dubrovnik, had ik net ten noorden van Metkovic, een richtingaanwijzer gezien waarop “heiligdom Koningin van de Vrede Hrasno 20 km" stond. Maar in Medjugorje houdt iedereen zich muisstil over deze plaats.” Mark Waterinckx stelt zo zijn vragen. “Waarom heeft bijvoorbeeld marialoog en Medjugorje-voorstander Rene Laurentin Hrasno nooit vernoemd? Waarom heeft de Gospa van Medjugorje het nooit over Hrasno? Zouden er twee verschillende heiligdommen kunnen zijn met dezelfde titel in dezelfde kerkelijke provincie?”

“Op 9 mei 1997 stuurde paus Johannes Paulus II een telegram met gelukwensen voor de twintigste verjaardag van het erkende heiligdom 'Kraljica Mira' in Herzegovina. Hij gaf zijn bijzondere apostolische zegen aan dit 'vero centro di devozione Mariana' (echt centrum van Mariale devotie). Dit moet voor elke Franciscaan in Medjugorje toch wel duidelijk zijn. Eens vroeg ik in Medjugorje aan een Franciscaan om met mij mee te gaan naar Hrasno. Hij weigerde. Waarom? Omdat 'Hrasno een diocesaan Heiligdom is en niet een Franciscaans', zei hij. Heel typisch voor deze vreemde situatie in dit gebied van rivaliteit en fanatisme.”

Waterinckx meent dat het er alle schijn van heeft dat in 1981 de Franciscanen het erkende heiligdom in Hrasno hebben overgebracht naar Medjugorje voor aldaar verblijvende valse zieners. “In die tijd waren de paters Vlasic en Slavko Barbaric allebei kapelaans in Capljina, een kleine stad halverwege tussen Medjugorje en Hrasno. Dat kan haast geen toeval zijn.”

De Franciscaanse paters en de bisschop van Mostar leveren al jaren een strijd. Naar het idee van Mark Waterinckx wordt Medjugorje hiervoor ingezet. Veel van de Medjugorje-paters zijn op hun vingers getikt, of zelfs gesuspendeerd. Vorig jaar pater Vlasic, de eerste geestelijke leider van de Medjugorje-‘zieners’, door Rome zwaar gestraft voor gewetensmanipulaties, twijfelachtige doctrines, verdacht mysticisme, ongehoorzaamheid, schandalig seksueel wangedrag en verdenking van ketterij en schisma. “Het is merkwaardig dat Maria van Medjugorje in haar boodschappen deze pater altijd bemoedigde in haar boodschappen aan de zieners.”


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Waterinckx vervolgt: “De Franciscaan Bozo Rados, kapelaan in Capljina, zei me in 1997: ‘Ik word geleid door de Heilige Geest. Ik heb geen paus nodig, ik heb geen bisschop nodig’. Rados is thans uit de Franciscaanse orde verwijderd door de Franciscaanse Generale Overste in Rome. Het is eveneens merkwaardig dat pater Jozo Zovko, de voormalige pastoor van Medjugorje en beschermeling van de zieners, driemaal werd gesuspendeerd door de bisschoppen van Mostar, maar een ‘heilige’genoemd door de Franciscaanse Maria, nu plots verdwenen is uit de provincie Mostar. Officiëel wegens gezondheidsredenen.”






en we vinden eveneens "een prikkelende column van onze eigen inlandse Mgr Leonard over Medjugorje die ons inderdaad achterlaat met meer vragen dan goed is voor ons hartje...

http://www.katholieknieuwsblad.nl/archief/Kort/2009/10/29/Medjugorje?_Ja,_tenzij...


Medjugorje? Ja, tenzij...

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De bisschop van Namen, Andre-Mutien Leonard, spreekt zich in zijn column in Katholiek Nieuwsblad van deze week uit voor het fenomeen Medjugorje. De vruchten van het bedevaartsoord zijn van dien aard, dat die niet alleen kunnen voortkomen uit het dat men er bidt, biecht en de Mis viert, schrijft hij. "Want dat gebeurt elders ook, maar zonder zoveel gevolgen."
Toch zijn er dingen mis, aldus mgr. Leonard. "Medjugorje heeft niet de transparantie van Lourdes." Het uiteindelijke oordeel over Medjugorje komt echter toe aan de Kerk. Moest dat oordeel negatief uitpakken, dan legt Leonard zich daar bij neer, "wetend dat het beter is zich in gehoorzaamheid van Medjugorje los te maken dan er zich met ongehoorzaamheid aan vast te klampen, wat zeker tot dwaling leidt".
De prikkelende columns van mgr. Leonard zijn driewekelijks te lezen in de papieren editie van Katholiek Nieuwsblad.





Tiens, zou er dan toch iets mis zijn op deze heilige plaats?


Nogmaals de zelfde bron raadplegen en wat lezen we tot onze grote verbijstering? Let ook op de recente datum...


http://www.katholieknieuwsblad.nl/archief/Kort/2009/10/16/Vaticaanse_Comissie_inzake_Medjugorje


Vaticaanse Commissie Medjugorje

Foto: AP
KN - 16-10-2009 00:000 uur
Een nieuwe Vaticaanse commissie zal vanaf volgende maand onderzoek gaan doen naar de vermeende verschijningen van Maria in Medjugorje (Bosnie-Herzegovina). Dat meldt Radio Vaticana.
Doel van de commissie is tweeledig: achterhalen wat er waar is met betrekking tot de gemelde verschijningen en onderzoeken hoe de Kerk het beste de vele honderdduizenden pelgrims kan begeleiden die jaarlijks naar Medjugorje komen ondanks kerkelijke afwijzingen.
Tot een inhoudelijk slotoordeel zal de commissie niet komen, aldus de radiozender, want daartoe is het nodig dat de verschijningen eerst afgesloten zijn. Het bericht herhaalt het oordeel van de huidige kardinaal Bertone dat officiele pelgrimages verboden zijn, maar dat particulier bezoek is toegestaan, mits zo'n bezoek geen bevestiging van de verschijningen inhoudt.






Jekkes, we herhalen er wordt een vaticaanse commissie opgericht en "officiële pelgrimages zijn verboden maar particulier bezoek is toegestaan, mits zo'n bezoek geen bevestiging van de verschijningen inhoudt".

Daar breekt onze klomp, wat zouden we nu willen een particulier bezoek aan zo een boerenhol afleggen als daar nu net geen "eigenaardige" dingen gebeuren. Dat is nu eens typische "tsjevenpraat" zullen we maar zeggen zeker? Het is bij dat soort godsdienst dan ook nooit wit of zwart...het zit er altijd ergens tussenin...



http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=29290


Vatican suspends Franciscan Connected to Medjugorje
9/12/2008

The Catholic Herald (UK) (www.catholicherald.co.uk/)

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has written to Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar-Duvno, whose diocese covers Medjugorje, to inform him that they are investigating the case of Franciscan Fr Tomislav Vlasic.

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LONDON (UK Catholic Herald) - The Vatican has authorized "severe cautionary and disciplinary measures" against a priest who once served as "spiritual leader" to the visionaries in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has written to Bishop Ratko Peric of Mostar-Duvno, whose diocese covers Medjugorje, to inform him that they are investigating the case of Franciscan Fr Tomislav Vlasic.

The CDF has asked the bishop, for the good of the faithful, to inform the community of the canonical status of the Bosnian priest, whose actions automatically provoked Vatican sanctions.

In a statement posted on the website of the Diocese of Mostar-Duvno, Bishop Peric explained that Fr Vlasic has been reported to the CDF "for the diffusion of dubious doctrine, manipulation of consciences, suspicious mysticism, disobedience toward legitimately issued orders", and accusations of sexual immorality.

The doctrinal congregation said in the letter, also posted on the website, that the priest had been disciplined after he stubbornly refused to cooperate with the inquiry, instead "justifying himself by citing his zealous activity" in initiating religious communities and building churches in the Medjugorje area.

A decree confirming action against Fr Vlasic was signed by Cardinal William Levada, prefect of the CDF, and Fr José Rodriguez Carballo, the minister general of the Order of Friars Minor, earlier this year.

It confined Fr Vlasic to a Franciscan monastery in Italy and banned him from contact with the Queen of Peace community, which he founded, or with his lawyers without permission from his superior.

He is banned from making public appearances, preaching and hearing confessions, and he will be required to make a solemn profession of the Catholic faith. The Vatican has warned Fr Vlasic that he will be excommunicated if he violates any of the prohibitions.

"Fr Vlasic is forewarned that, in the case of stubbornness, a juridical penal process will begin with the aim of still harsher sanctions, not excluding dismissal, having in mind the suspicion of heresy and schism, as well as scandalous acts contra sextum [against the Sixth Commandment] aggravated by mystical motivations," Bishop Peric wrote.

In Rome a Franciscan official told Catholic News Service that it is true that "disciplinary measures have been taken" against Fr Vlasic "but he is still a friar of our order; he has not been dismissed from the Franciscans or the clerical state".

Passionist Fr Ciro Benedettini, vice director of the Vatican press office, also confirmed the content of Bishop Peric's letter.

Fr Vlasic was a key figure in promoting the apparitions at the unofficial shrine in Medjugorje. In 1984 he wrote to Pope John Paul II to say that he was the one "who through divine providence guides the seers of Medjugorje".

Four years later he moved to Parma, Italy, where he set up the mixed Queen of Peace religious community dedicated to the Medjugorje apparitions.

Fr Vlasic is the second spiritual adviser to the visionaries to be suspended from his ministry. Bishop Peric confirmed the suspension of the faculties of the other priest, Fr Jozo Zovko, in 2004. The Medjugorje phenomenon began June 25 1981, when six children told a priest they had seen Mary on a hillside near their town. Since then, Mary is said to have appeared to the six more than 40,000 times and imparted hundreds of messages. But three Church commissions failed to find evidence to support their claims, and the bishops of the former Yugoslavia declared in 1991 that "it cannot be affirmed that these matters concern supernatural apparitions or revelations".

In 1985 Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then prefect of the CDF and now Pope Benedict XVI, banned official, diocesan or parish-sponsored pilgrimages to the shrine. However, individual Catholics are still free to visit and have a priest with them.

John Hanrahan, convenor of the Medjugorje Apostolate in England and Wales, said the CDF was investigating the entire ministry of Fr Vlasic and not just his involvement in Medjugorje.

He said: "Fr Vlasic was associated with Medjugorje at the beginning but we should not presume the final judgment of the Church [on Medjugorje]. We are being totally obedient on the matter of private pilgrimages."



Tsjonge tsjonge tsjonge....wij vallen van onze wolk en morgen vertellen we méér..

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http://www.bloggen.be/medjugorje/

Deze bijdrage heeft geenszins de bedoeling te spotten met personen die geloven in dergelijke bedevaartsoorden en we willen zeker en vast niet de goeie bedoelingen van de verantwoordelijken van dit blog in twijfel trekken. Laat dit meteen voor iedereen duidelijk zijn. Wij zijn ongelovigen maar wij hebben geen enkel probleem met het geloof van anderen, zonder onderscheid tussen de verschillende godsdiensten. Wij zijn voorstanders van een volledige godsdienstvrijheid. Dat is dan ook maar meteen gezegd en gebeiteld. MAAR we willen wel wat kanttekeningen aanbrengen bij sommige fenomenen zoals het bedevaartsoord Medjugorje. We hebben hier eerder al een paar teksten gepubliceerd die verwijzen naar de financiering van dit oord door plundergoud van het Kroatische gruwelregime van de ustacha. Maar er is nog meer...en we zullen vanaf hier nu al maar aankondigen dat we geen subsidies noch verzoekjes hebben gekregen vanwege één of andere antichrist om deze bijdrage te schrijven; We zijn er echter van overtuigd dat dit wel zal gezegd worden door de fanclub van Medjugorje

Maar we zullen beginnen met de woorden van die Weense kardinaal die nieuwjaar vierde ginder ter plekke en die zo mooi verklaarde:
"Ik geloof dat er in de Kerk vele gebeurtenissen zijn, die vanuit menselijk standpunt ogenschijnlijk onmogelijk lijken."


Welwelwel dat is nu eens mooi gezegd en met deze mooie uiytspraak in ons achterhoofdje beginnen we te spitten...

eerst en vooral gaan we op zoek naar de man die dit allemaal van zeer dichtbij mocht meemaken namelijk de devote levende heilige van deze plaats Franciskanerbroeder Jozo Zovko en hier vinden jullie zijn stichtende verhaal:


http://www.gospa.com/pages/jozo.htm


Fr. Jozo Zovko, OFM


Fr. Jozo ZovkoFather Jozo Zovko O.F.M., a Franciscan priest has been a part of the history of the phenomena of Medjugorje since the very beginning. As a young priest, Father Jozo enjoyed the assignment as Parish Priest for the Saint James Church in Medjugorje, Bosnia-Hercegovina when the first apparition occurred on June 24, 1981.

When the children first started to speak of the apparitions, Father Jozo was doubtful that it was more than the excited imaginations of the young. Still, talk of the apparitions was dangerous in an area of Communist oppression. He was torn between trying to keep his parish and the suddenly arriving pilgrims calm and centered and taking care of their spiritual needs and making sense out of the stories of the apparitions.. if indeed they had occurred. It wasn't long before he was convinced that the children were seeing the Gospa and that something wonderful was happening to his St. James parish that would soon affect the world through the Gospa's messages given there.

Towards the end of July, 1981, while Father Jozo was praying inside of St. James, he heard a male voice tell him: "Go outside and protect the children.". Upon opening the door of the church, he found all six visionaries, Ivanka, Ivan, Jakov, Marija, Mirjana and Vicka frightened of the police and begging for help. He gave them sanctuary in the rectory.

After refusing the order to close St. James, Father Jozo Zovko was arrested on August 17, 1981.. barely two months after the first apparition. He was tried and convicted on charges of subversion against the (Communist) state. He was sentenced to three and a half years hard labor.

Despite the many cruel and horrendous tortures he endured while imprisoned, his faith remained strong and grew. Unable to cope with such devoutness in the face of their extensive cruelty as well as the increasing political pressure against his imprisonment, the Communists released Father Jozo after 18 months on the condition he never return to St. James as pastor.

Father Jozo now travels through the world and speaks of the Gospa's messages. He speaks of the immeasurable love of Jesus and he asks us all to respond to the call with all of our hearts. And he teaches these very things by his words and his example.

One project that is very close to Father Jozo's heart is taking care of the many children who became orphans through the Bosnian War. He has established the non-profit "International Godparenthood for the Herceg Bosnian Child." and all fees from his speaking engagements go to help the orphans. You may find a link to learn more about Father Jozo's Godparenthood program on our Favorite Links page. Father Jozo Zovko O.F.M. is also author of the book "as she asks" with Geraldine Hemmings and Carrie Swearingen.

Below are excerpts of a speech Father Jozo gave to the pilgrims visiting Medjugorje on October 4, 1998, the day after the Feast of St. Francis of Assisi. In the interest of keeping the flavor and the intent intact, there has been no editing of the vocabulary or syntax changed as Father Jozo's comments were translated into English as he spoke.

I am overjoyed that I am able to greet you and I thank you for having responded to the call. The call of Our Lady, the Queen of Peace. . Thankful that it was not too far for you to come. Thank you for not being afraid that your plane would not crash into the ocean.

Yesterday was the feast day of a great man.. You see how he stands in our midst. Our brother, our interceptor, St. Francis. He, after inspiring us for 8 centuries.. inspiring the young and the old the sick and the healthy and when he felt that his generation was destroying everything. When even in our generation we are destroying our nature, it has come to mind to consecrate and dedicate everything to him. And this our hope. A desire to have a great dialog amongst religions and his, too.

The Holy Father came to the tomb of this great man, this little brother Francis, to start this great dialog amongst religions. And it is a great state, a monumental state when all people from various religions, various parts of the world came and prayed at his tomb together. He is the man who left behind his sword and his sheath and he took the crop. Here is a man who left his precious horse and replaced him with bare feet and sandals. Here is the man who exchanged his very precious garments all decorated with real gold and even fur and instead has taken on poverty. This is what we dont know how to do. This is what I can not do and I dont know how to do. And this man that stands before me in inspirations saying to me: "You also can." And I'm deeply convinced that I can. And each time I think of him.. when I look at him, when I meet him in my heart, he tells me: "Do not be afraid, you can do likewise."

I'm so glad that you came on this precious saint's feast day. After today, I am certain you will love him more, you will respect him more. St. Francis as a young man was always in tears. A man filled with the greatest joy, always wiping away tears. And his brothers asked him.. why are you crying? Why are you always crying? You look at the cross and you cry. You teach an assignment and you cry. You see the sign as you cross the road and you cry and you wipe away your tears. Why are you crying?

And St. Francis responded and said: "Because I don't love. I don't know how to love. It is my desire that I learn how to love. And then he turned to his brothers and said: "My brothers look.. as he pointed to Jesus saying .. Love is not love. I desire to learn how to love."

Eight centuries later in Medjugorje, Our Lady speaks to us and says: "Dear children. How is it that you dont know how to love Jesus? How is it that you dont know how to love his cross and his wounds? Look at his wounds. Looks at the cross and learn how to love." And what we do we learn when we look at the cross. We learn so much. We learn most that we can learn.. we gain the greatest lessons of love. Before the cross we learn how to love. And love means to give our life for others. I live live for others. Yes, I can learn to live for others. And it is a continual event to do more. To be more an image of Jesus. In the last message Our Lady says to us: "Dear children. I desire to call you to live the faith of your fathers. To return to the faith of your fathers."

Yesterday you were in Split. Why? That you may learn together with the Holy Father the faith of a nation.. of the church. In that city where many of you were yesterday with the Holy Father, the oldest known cathedral today is there. An older cathedral does not exist. The persecutor of the church 1100 years ago made himself a most beautiful tomb, like a Roman Emperor on the site. And he wanted to die in the most beautiful city of his kingdom. And then thats why he has placed his castle on the edge of the ocean. He built on the land his tomb. But he was talked into murdering the bishop who was found in the vicinity of that village. There, where the Holy Father was with the young yesterday afternoon. And he was the one who was talked into persecuting the followers of Christ. And the Roman Emperor became an executor and a murder. And he died. And it is in his tomb that the Christians brought their martyr, their saint, their bishop. In the mean time freedom came. And the successor of the Emperor said: "No Christians are allowed to be persecuted by decree." And in the mausoleum that the king had built for himself, the Christians placed their bishop. And to the living bishop at the time they built everything next to their cathedral. And thats why Our father came to celebrate the great strength of faith of martyrdom in this city. But, the city does celebrate 1700 years of its diocese of its city . That is the faith of your father who was prepared to die for Jesus.

Today, you are in relatively desolate area. For us, who are born here, it is beautiful. For example we have other Brother Eustive here.. and he's been a priest for 33 years and he lives in the diocese in the US. And although he no longer lives here, he's always happy to return here. Because it the love of this beautiful place always remains. And for those that loves this place, it is never desolate, it is never a desert but, it is always home.

And for you it will become that place. And do you know why? Because this place was consecrated to Our Lady. 150 years ago it was consecrated to her. The church was built at that time. 50 years ago when the communists came, when the church was celebrating its 100th anniversary of the monastery. It was the communists that came and said there was no more God. And when they came they found 30 Franciscans. 30 professors of the adjacent seminary. And they told them there was no more God. That their church was dead. And there was no more church and no more pope and that there was no more need for that. They told them that their life was superficial. They told the Franciscans to remove their habits. To leave their faith and go into the world.

But, they could not. and they said: "No, we can not leave." When the enemy recognized that the Franciscans were so full of faith and conviction, an enraged soldier took the crucifix from the wall and threw it at the feet of the Franciscans. Present were the children who were in the school of students they were teaching. And it was before those children, the communists said to the Franciscans: "Now you may choose. Life or Death." Each one of them chose Jesus. So warmly they embraced Him! They kissed Him. And the confessed the great one thing. And they said: "You are my Father and my everything. You are everything and I am nothing." One by one they were taken outside and thrown into the flames. But, some they went knowing full well where they were going. They went with blessings. And the enemies that are alive today, witnesses say.. "As we were persecuting them, they were praying for us. As we cursed them, they rejoiced and celebrated God and they sang." What a great step that was. Being thrown into flames. This is the faith of the your Fathers. This is the faith of your fathers.

In the last message Our Lady says to return the faith of our fathers. This is the time to live according to the faith of our fathers. Yes, you are on a journey. And we must be careful that the same might not happen to your faith that happened to technology. What happened? The plows that were pulled by the horses are replaced by the great and powerful tractors in the fields. The slow ships are being replaced by power ships. And the trip from America that would have taken you months to travel the ocean now only takes 12 hours. Before to hear news from another continent took a long time. But, now simultaneously we are able to see the transmissions from around the world.


Ontroerend nietwaar maar sinds enige tijd zijn we wat voorzichtiger geworden met Franciskanen uit de Balkan en onze ijverige lezertjes die onze bijdragen over Pius XII hebben gelezen zullen ons dat niet kwalijk nemen, vermoeden we...


Liefhebbertjes van zulke suikerzoete verhaaltjes zoals hierboven kunnen verder hun hartjes ophalen op deze site:

http://www.medjugorje.ws/en/pictures/siroki-brijeg-jozo-zovko/


Maar wat ontdekken we al vlug als we ons op het goede pad willen begeven? Deze heilige man heeft een sabbatjaartje genomen en heeft zich wat teruggetrokken om nog heiligere werken te doen...

http://ingodscompany2.blogspot.com/2009/02/father-jozo-zovko-on-sabbatical.html



2/20/09

Father Jozo Zovko on Sabbatical.


Father Jozo Zovko on Sabbatical.
Here is the official letter circulated on Father’s behalf by his assistant, Mrs. Vesna Curic:Siroki Brijeg, February 9, 2009 With this notice we desire to inform you that due to health reasons, the need for rest and recuperation, and due to the commencement of construction on Badija, Fr Jozo Zovko has asked his superiors for permission to reside outside of the Province. The Province Board approved this request. For this reason, we are canceling all programs planned for the ensuing year. We kindly ask all our co-ordinators and co-workers, organizers of pilgrimages to Medjugorje, organizers of prayer meetings and seminars, and all Medjugorje Centers and pilgrims to respect this and not to plan or ask for a meeting with Fr Jozo during this time. We thank you for your understanding, and united in prayer we remain yours truly in Christ.-Vesna Cuzic-on behalf of Fr JozoInternational God-Parenthood for the Herceg-Bosnian Child.


The Lord knows why He sometimes allows a gap or a painful absence to enter into our lives – He always has a plan. Remember when Abraham renounced his son Isaac, only to bear even greater fruit for humanity? When Saint Joseph thought that he had to give up marrying Mary, it was to finally find her in a more pure and beautiful way. But he had to go through an agony so that his own heart would enlarge to match hers!
If Fr. Jozo’s absence is a painful pruning process for the pilgrims and for each one of us here, it would be good nevertheless for all of us to welcome the event with a positive attitude, not as a calamity, but rather as a gift from God Who will use it for a greater purpose. Just imagine, it is quite possible that this time of sabbatical may save Fr. Jozo’s life, and prevent him from collapsing from exhaustion without warning as Fr. Slavko did! Isn’t it also possible that a change in his life pattern may permit him to perceive other aspects of Mary’s plan for Medjugorje that he may reveal to us later on? The possibilities for why God chose this time to give Father Jozo a break are endless.
One thing we can be sure of is that if we welcome this time of trial with faith and even with gratitude, we will free the way for the Lord to harvest all its fruit, in our day and in Eternity. But if we mourn what was ours before and now seems lost, or even worse, if we attempted to blame someone for having robbed us of it, we certainly would be wasting our time and ruining God’s plan.
I’m sure that Fr. Jozo is expecting us to display an attitude of faith. Let’s make this our way to thank him for his 27 years of service to us! Let us also pray for him, and continue to study his teachings that are still available on CDs, DVDs and books at Siroki Brijeg.
Dearest Gospa, we dearly love you! In the midst of all the tribulations of this life, you are our resplendent star!
Sister Emmanuel +
Posted by Ed Sousa, Sr. at 1:06 PM


Beste lezertjes, proef elk woord van deze wonderlijke tekst want weldra zal een andere iets wereldsere versie op jullie gelovige zieltjes worden losgelaten...maar eerst nog wat rozenwater sprenkelen over deze brave ziel en merk vooral op dat er in de eerste tekst wordt gewezen op de "beschermende" rol die onze Franciskanen hier ter plekke hebben gespeeld....daar weten we alles over natuurlijk...en dan zeggen dat het Franciskanerklooster van Siroki Brijeg één van de ergste monsters uit WOII heeft voortgebracht ene zekere Peter Brzica
en wie is deze beschermengel der bevolking?


http://books.google.be/books?id=87AWUJcFty0C&pg=PA140&lpg=PA140&dq=siroki+brijeg+Peter+Brzica&source=bl&ots=ibt_6WGTjf&sig=KJV-A3-pilkXl1uskZ1SIH4xQoo&hl=nl&ei=G6VDS_GkHuKgjAfstJCtDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDsQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=&f=false

en ook: http://www.reformation.org/holoc5.html
en daar lezen we:

The worst atrocities, strange as it may seem, were carried out by members of the intelligentsia. The case of Peter Brzica is undoubtedly one of the most incredible in this category. Peter Brzica had attended the Franciscan College at Siroki Brijeg, Herzegovina, was a law student, and a member of the Catholic organization of the Crusaders (Krizari). In the concentration camp at Jasenovac, on the night of August 29, 1942, orders were issued for executions. Bets were made as to who could liquidate the largest number of inmates. Peter Brzica cut the throats of 1,360 prisoners with a specially sharp butcher's knife. Having been proclaimed the prize-winner of the competition, he was elected King of the Cut-throats. A gold watch, a silver service, and a roasted sucking pig and wine were his other rewards. A doctor, Dr. Nikola Kilolic, himself a Croat, was an eyewitness in the camp when the event took place, and subsequently testified to the authenticity of this astonishing deed.[2]




maar terug naar onze brave Broeder Zovko

Father Jozo Zovko

Source: http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/99Nov/nov3top.htm

Father Jozo Zovko, O.F.M., the priest most recognized with the apparitions and spiritual phenomena of Medjugorje. His selection came from the many readers who believe in the message of Medjugorje which Father Jozo continues to emphasize today, the same message imparted to saints for centuries including Saint John Bosco through his vision of the two pillars - the Eucharist and devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary's Immaculate Heart. He has often been called the "Eucharistic priest." While this term should apply to all priests because of the immense privilege and right they are afforded through the Sacrament of Holy Orders, Father Jozo is constantly upholding the Eucharist as the answer to all our questions.

How fitting it was that he was called Jozo for in Croatian it means Joseph and he was born on that great saint's feast day - March 19, 1941 in the village of Uzari in the parish of Siroki Brijeg, where he is assigned today at the Franciscan monastery. He was the eighth of ten children born to Mate and Milka Zovko and the times were tough for World War II was in full force, but the family survived and little Jozo finished his primary grade school first in Uzari, then Siroki Brijeg before realizing he had a vocation to the priesthood. He entered the seminary in Bol on the island of Brac directly south of Split in the Adriatic Sea. He transfered to the major seminary in Sarajevo after Novitiate and at the age of 26 was enrolled at Ljubljana University receiving his degree in Theology. He was ordained in Sarajevo on August 6, 1967. He was assigned to the Gratz University in Austria to continue studies.

Upon graduating in the early seventies he returned to his homeland of Yugoslavia where communism ruled. Though the communist regime allowed worship, they frowned on those who were too faithful. One of those was Father Jozo. Because of his deep faith, his devotion to God and because of his tremendous influence in the parishes where he was assigned, the communists influenced the local bishop to transfer him often. It must be understood that the bishops were selected at that time and all the way up until after the fall of the communistic regime in the early nineties, by approval of the communist authorities in Belgrade. This included Bishop Zanic and the present prelate Bishop Peric. It was often a tough call for the Vatican but the Holy See realized it was the only way to prevent total persecution of the Church. It's also interesting to note that the two bishops in question who have ruled against Medjugorje, the Vatican has taken jurisdiction on ruling on Medjugorje out of their hands in unprecedented moves. That and the long history of the Franciscans' loyalty to the people and the Church should shed some light on the current flap between the bishops and Franciscans regarding Medjugorje and which have been totally blown out of proportion in accusing the Franciscans of being disobedient. Nothing could be further from the truth and the Franciscans continue to operate in Medjugorje at St. James and surrounding areas of Bosnia within the Diocese of Mostar because of Vatican intervention. The Holy See is well aware of the politics and corruption of past bishoprics because of communist influence.

It was into this atmosphere that Father Jozo was transferred to St. James parish in Medjugorje, which, in Croatian means "between two mountains." This agricultural valley was a small village where the Faith was practiced but not with the devotion expected. Father Jozo began to preach and entreat the people to return to the Sacraments, to live their Faith. He was like "John the Baptist" if you will for, without him realizing it, he was preparing the parish for what was to come eight months after he had been assigned to St. James as the new pastor. On June 24, 1981, while he was on retreat in Croatia, the Blessed Mother is reported to have appeared on the Podrbo, also called "Apparition Hill." Medjugorje would never be the same, nor would Father Jozo.

When he first was told of the apparitions, he felt the children - Mirjana Dragicevic, Ivanka Ivankovic, Maria Pavlovic, Ivan Dragicevic, Vicka Ivankovic and Jakov Colo - were all pulling a prank. He chastised them for such tales and the seriousness of such claims. To his surprise, rather than the children coming clean and admitting it was a hoax, they stuck to their story insisting the "Gospa" had appeared to them. Still he didn't believe until he knelt in St. James alone one morning after Mass and heard a Heavenly voice say, "Protect the children." Almost immediately they came flying into the rectory, out of breath with the communist soldiers in pursuit. He knew instantly it was no hoax and sought to give the six young ones sanctuary. For this he paid the price. He was summoned to communist headquarters in Mostar where he was accused of provoking an uprising by spurring the children to fabricate the apparitions and get the parishioners stirred up against the communists. They ordered him to suppress the movement in Medjugorje as more and more were flocking to this village as news spread. Had they called him in one week earlier, before he heard the voice which he knew instinctively was from God, he might have complied. But he could not go against God's charge. Therefore he refused and, after a kangaroo court, was sentenced to three years of prison. The sentence in communistic incarceration was commuted to half that following the pressure applied on the Yugoslav government by the faithful in Medjugorje and surrounding areas as well as others outside the country who had heard of the phenomena and the travesties against him.

In the spring of 1983, Father Jozo was released and transferred to St. Elijah in Tihaljina. It was here where we first came in contact with this holy priest. It was May of 1990 during our first pilgrimage to Medjugorje, one that would forever change our life. We were kneeling at the communion rail after his inspiring two hour talk in which he blessed each person afterwards. It was a throwback to the old way of receiving Our Lord at Holy Communion, except this time it was the Holy Spirit Who came through the charisma of Father Jozo; for as we knelt immediately in front of that beautiful, famous statue of Our Lady, known as "Our Lady of Tihaljina" we could feel the power of the Advocate. As he placed his hands on our head, a warmth never before felt came over us and were slain in the Spirit for the first time ever in the most relaxing, peacefilled mode ever experienced.

This charism has been experienced by millions who have flocked to Medjugorje and made side trips to Tihaljina and now the monastery in Siroki Brijeg to hear and be touched by this amazing priest. He continued to receive pilgrims, preaching and touching them until 1992 when the war in Croatia and then Bosnia-Herzegovina prevented this. He turned his attentions to helping his people, making trips to London, Washington, New York, Paris, Brussels, Strasbourg and Rome on a peace mission trying to persuade political leaders to help stop the killing and suffering of innocent people. It was the same kind of mission Bishop Carlos Ximenes Belo just returned from concerning his beleaguered and suffering flock in East Timor. Just as he had been called by Heaven to "Protect the children" when the six visionaries were threatened, so also he has been called by God to protect the children ravaged by war and hate. He helped establish the International Godparenthood which served as a vehicle for people the world over to adopt a Godchild from among the many whose parents were killed in the devastating war that slaughtered 280,000 over a four-year period and destroyed countless homes and churches throughout Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina. It was established on December 20, 1992 with Father Jozo as president of the association. Today over 4,000 children are cared for spiritually and financially in Siroki Brijeg through this organization. There is also the Holy Family Institute which he is involved with which sponsors a children's renewal center in Siroki Brijeg serving as a clearing house for people of all faiths in rebuilding and getting back on their feet after the devastation of war. The center provides food, shelter, clothing and the opportunity to educate all as to the sacredness of human dignity. The center is, as Father Jozo explains, "a monument of love..the monument that speaks to all generations here as to what love has done by reestablishing themselves in society for the good."

While he has sponsored and approved of many organizations, he has also been used by some. One such was the "Nine Novenas of Prayer" in which the organizers illegally signed his name to it. He took umbrage for much of the appeal dealt with a forboding apocalyptic tone full of fear and fatalistic threats. Father Jozo renounced that as he wrote, "In through these fatalistic and threatening texts are obviously contrary to the messages of the Queen of Peace who for eighteen years as a mother has been arousing, instructing and inspiring millions of pilgrims and followers toward an apostolate of prayer and fasting."

Another project that did not have his blessings and which he was not consulted on was the movie "Gospa", a poorly done portrayal of him played by Martin Sheen in which the facts were misrepresented and he was made to look like a priest more interested in his image than souls. Nothing could be further from the truth for he is a man who speaks from the heart - a heart that reveals a selflessness and total surrender to God's Will. Even though "Gospa" was promoted to aid the refugees, it died a quick death because it was not faithful to the life of Father Jozo and his own sister Sister Fabiana, a humble, obedient nun who in no way represents the Hollywood image conveyed by Morgan Fairchild in the part of Sister Fabiana. In an interview in 1995, Father Jozo refuted most of what was in the movie.

Since 1992 he has been stationed at the Franciscan monastery in Siroki Brijeg just a short way from where he was born. But he has also traveled the world, from the far east, the mid east, Americas and throughout Europe and Africa spreading the message of Medjugorje and the vital importance of the Eucharist which are intrinsically linked as Father says, "Place your life upon the altar. You will witness how a priest will place a drop of water within a chalice full of wine. That drop of water intermingles with the wine and signifies you in the Holy Mass. You can become one, unite with and intermingle with Jesus. That is why the Holy Mass is called Communion - union with God - you and your God together - that is the Holy Eucharist." He also pointed out this link before Mass in Portland, Oregon a few years ago which we have taken from www.medjugorje.org, "Why is it that churches and sects do not tolerate the Mass, do not respect Our Lady? Because they go hand-in-hand. Yes, they go together. Our Lady teaches to come to love Jesus, to fall in love with Him, and that is why she places us before the Holy Eucharist, and pleads with us to pray before this holy, Blessed Sacrament, so from Jesus we may learn to become bread for others; so that I not have fear to say, 'Take this, all of you, of Me, and eat of it.'...Our Lady works in miraculous ways. She was always the sign, the sign of a better world, the sign of peace and unit in the Church, the sign of our salvation."

Father Jozo has been persecuted, imprisoned, denigrated and accused of unspeakable sins from graft to child abuse. What is his defense against all of this? "Father, forgive them. They know not what they do." He can be found innumerable hours a day before the Tabernacle in prayer, pleading not for his own will and reputation but for God's Will to be done no matter the consequences. He epitomizes the priests of Medjugorje who day-in-day-out are ridiculed and placed under the magnifying glass of scrutiny - men like Father Svetozar Kraljivec, OFM, another very humble and holy priest whose heroic acts during the war have gone untold at his request; Father Ivan Landeka, OFM, the current pastor of St. James, Father Slavko Barbaric, OFM, who was the voter's choice for the 41st selection of the TOP 100 CATHOLICS OF THE CENTURY on October 14th; Father Petar Ljubicic, OFM, the priest whom visionary Mirjana Dragicevic has selected to receive and announce the ten secrets when Our Lady says to do so; Father Philip Pavic, OFM, the American-born Franciscan who serves the English-speaking pilgrims in Medjugorje and has come to be known as the loveable ol' curmudgeon with a cynical streak; Father Tomislav Vlasic, OFM, Father Ivan Dugandzic, OFM;Father Tomislav Pervan, OFM, now the Franciscan provincial, and Father Ljudevit Rupcic, OFM who we personally interviewed extensively along with Archbishop Frane Franic, the former Archbishop of Split who was instrumental in the Vatican taking the matter out of the local ordinary of Mostar's hands.

Today, at 58 Father Jozo continues to minister to the people of Siroki Brijeg and the countless pilgrims who come to hear and be inspired. He also continues to travel the globe bringing Our Lady's message to all. When asked about the criticism that Medjugorje has become a commercial venture, he winces but admits, "Our Lady is so pure that I would like the entrance to her shrine to be clean, with no shops at all. But I also understand that the people want to take something home, to remember their visit. This is something that happens in all famous places." He is truly correct in this which can be corroborated if one ever visited Guadalupe, Lourdes or Fatima. They all have vendors coming out of the woodwork, as does the Vatican.

When asked about the fact the apparitions continue to this day after an unprecedented eighteen and a half years, he doesn't hesitate in affirming that "A made-up story could not last this long. And it couldn't be satan's work. Satan doesn't call for prayer and conversion." And this is what Father Jozo continues to preach with every waking breath - prayer and conversion! In this humble, charismatic Franciscan is embodied the messages of Medjugorje.



en morgen gaan we verder uitspitten wat er nu allemaal gebeurt aan wonderen op deze "heilige plaats"



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Wie was nu eigenlijk die Stuart Eizenstat?

We vinden het antwoord op een officiële Tsjechische site volledig gewijd aan de gestolen en geroofde goederen tijdens de holocaust en waarover er op 26-30 juni 2009 een conferentie werd gehouden te Praag. Jullie vinden heel wat documentatie terug op http://www.holocausteraassets.eu/en/news-archive/detail/stuart-e--eizenstat-will-head-the-us-delegation-at-the-holocaust-era-/



Why we have convened the conference

Letter of Ambassador Miloš Pojar, Chairman of Organizing Committee, from February 9, 2009:


"More than six decades after World War II the terrible ghosts of the Holocaust have not disappeared. The perverse ideology that led to the horrors of the Holocaust still exists and throughout our continents racial hatred and ethnic intolerance stalk our societies. Therefore, it is our moral and political responsibility to support Holocaust remembrance and education in national, as well as international, frameworks and to fight against all forms of intolerance and hatred.


The Government of the Czech Republic, in cooperation with the Documentation Centre of Property Transfers of Cultural Assets of WW II Victims, the Federation of Jewish Communities in the Czech Republic, the Jewish Museum in Prague, the Terezín Memorial, the Institute of Jewish Studies at the Hussite Theological Faculty of the Charles University in Prague and the Forum 2000 Foundation, will host a ”Holocaust Era Assets” conference in Prague on June 26-30 2009. The objectives of the conference are:

  • To assess the progress made since the 1998 Washington Conference on Holocaust Era Assets in the areas of the recovery of looted art and objects of cultural, historical and religious value (according to the Washington Conference Principles on Nazi-Confiscated Art and the Vilnius Forum Declaration 2000), and in the areas of property restitution and financial compensation schemes.
  • To review current practices regarding provenance research and restitution and, where needed, define new effective instruments to improve these efforts.
  • To review the impact of the Stockholm Declaration of 2000 on education, remembrance and research about the Holocaust.
  • To strengthen the work of the Task Force on International Cooperation on Holocaust Education, Remembrance and Research, a 26-nation body chaired by the Czech Republic in 2007-2008.
  • To discuss new, innovative approaches in education, social programs and cultural initiatives related to the Holocaust and other National Socialist wrongs and to advance religious and ethnic tolerance in our societies and the world.

We sincerely hope this conference will mitigate the injustices caused by the Holocaust and other National Socialist wrongs and prevent them from recurring.

We look forward to welcoming you at the Prague Conference in June.

Ambassador Miloš Pojar,
Chairman of the Organizing Committee, Prague"



Stuart E. Eizenstat will head the US delegation at the Holocaust Era

Former Deputy Treasury Secretary and Under Secretary of State Stuart E. Eizenstat will be the Head of US delegation on the Holocaust Era Assets Conference. Stuart Eizenstat was President Jimmy Carter's Chief Domestic Policy Adviser, and Executive Director of the White House Domestic Policy Staff. He was President Bill Clinton's Deputy Secretary of the Treasury (1999-2001), Under Secretary of State for Economic, Business, and Agricultural Affairs (1997-1999). He also has served as the U.S. ambassador to the European Union from 1993 to 1996 and as co-chairman of the European-American Business Council (EABC). In 2008, the Ambassador Stuart E. Eizenstat received Professorship in Jewish history and culture at the University of Carolina





Op deze site vinden jullie de uiterst interessante verklaring van Theresiënstad die werd ondertekend door 46 landen en waarbij Servië en het Vaticaan als waarnemers waren betrokken.

http://www.holocausteraassets.eu/program/conference-proceedings/

We raden onze lezertjes aan om de verklaring van de Kroatië aandachtig te lezen want blijkbaar is er wel wat veranderd maar we vinden het toch maar zeer eigenaardig dat er wel zijdelings melding wordt gemaakt van andere slachtoffers van de Holocaust dan de Joodse slachtoffers. Het blijft voor de Kroaten toch moeilijk te erkennen dat Roma en Orthodoxen ook werden uitgemoord. Maar het is zeker een begin en de verwijzing naar Jasenovac en de andere religies en volkeren laten het beste verhopen...

Maar ondanks het feit dat het Vaticaan als waarnemer aanwezig was op deze conferentie wijst niets erop dat de Vaticaanse archieven over de banden met de ustacha worden opengesteld voor wetenschappers. Hier blijft de huidige paus dus doofstom maar hij gaat wel vrolijk door met zaligverklaringen van dubieuse figuren als Stepinac en Pius XII.
Kan iemand ons hierover een deftige uitleg geven? Waarschijnlijk niet. In elk geval is de morele authoriteit waarop het vaticaan en de katholieke kerk zich zo graag beroept ver te zoeken en kunnen we gerust spreken over puur cynisme...


Hieronder vinden jullie de volledige tekst van de Verklaring van Theresiënstad:

http://www.holocausteraassets.eu/program/conference-proceedings/declarations/


en hieronder vinden jullie de aanklacht van een aantal slachtoffers van het ustacharegime in een poging om hun gestolen goederen terug te krijgen. Deze aanklacht voor een Amerikaanse rechtbank dateert van 2008 en geeft een zeer gedetailleerde beschrijving van de goederen met namen en alle gruwelijke details. Opvallend is weer de rol van het Vaticaan in het ganse verhaal en zeker van de Franciskanerorde. Na deze aanklacht had het vaticaan haar volledige medewerking kunnen geven maart het bleef ijzig stil ...en werd dus gevolgd door de eerste stap naar de heiligverklaring van Pius XII.

http://vaticanbankclaims.com/5AC.pdf


Het zal zelfs voor de grootste bewonderaar van deze paus Pius XII wel overduidelijk zijn dat zijn rol, zeker wat betreft de ustacha-affaire, niet al te zuiver kan genoemd worden. Misschien was er geen rechtstreekse persoonlijke betrokkenheid, alhoewel hij Ante Pavelic persoonlijk een aantal keren heeft ontvangen terwijl hij zeker en vast perfect op de hoogte moet zijn geweest wat er in nazi-Kroatië op dat moment gaande was. Als hoofd van het Vaticaan en van de katholieke kerk en dus ook van de Franciskanen kan je toch moeilijk zeggen dat hij niks met deze gruwelen te maken had?
Ons kan het geen reet schelen dat een kerk heiligen benoemt. Dat zal wel deel uitmaken van de religieuse folklore die wij absoluut niet willen aanvallen alhoewel jullie wel zullen vermoeden dat ons geloof niet op de zelfde waarden berust, maar erg geloofwaardig kan je dergelijke folklore dus niet noemen als je de feiten onder ogen houdt. Meestal gaan de verdedigers van Pius XII met een grote boog rond deze ustachaperiode en vallen ze enkel en alleen terug op de Joodse Holocaust binnen de gekende Duitse uitroeiïngskampen en komen ze aanzetten met het feit dat Pius XII inderdaad een vrij groot aantal Joden heeft in bescherming genomen in Italië. Je kan er echter niet omheen dat niet het zelfde is gebeurd binnen de nieuwe nazivazalstaat Kroatië in WOII. Van ons mag die man zo heilig worden als een Indische koe maar wij wilden alleen dat bepaalde feiten niet zouden worden vergeten. Hopelijk zijn jullie het hiermee eens...
En morgen krijgen jullie nog een mooi verhaal, als toetje, over dat bijzondere bedevaartsoord Medjugorje...

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Maddox Brothers and Rose



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We pikken onze draad op die we voor het eindejaar even opzij hadden gelegd en gaan verder met onze reeks over Pius XII.
Het is nu wel zo dat we Pius XII een sympathieke knul kunnen vinden omdat hij blijkbaar niet zo nazigezind was als velen beweren. We gunnen hem het voordeel van de twijfel wat betreft dat onderdeel tijdens WOII maar we hebben wel zeer grote bedenkingen met de houding van het Vaticaan en dus haar leider PIUS XII ten opzichte van de Croatische fascisten namelijk de Ustascha's van Ante Pavelic en over het plundergoud dat door deze monsters, want een ander woord zijn deze oorlogsmidadigers van het ergste soort niet waard, werd gestolen bij de Joodse, Orthodoxe en Romaminderheid van de fascistische vazalstaat.

We lezen in officiële Amerikaanse rapporten dat daar nog steeds vragen worden gesteld om achter de waarheid te komen en dat het Vaticaan daar blijkbaar blijft over zwijgen. Van, een morele authoriteit als het Vaticaan en de Katholieke kerk kan je beter verwachten denken wij:


hier vinden we een vrij hallucinante kijk op de manier waarop nazi-Duitsland aan buitenlandse valuta kwam om zijn oorlogsinspanningen te financieren, evenals hoe en wie bepaalde grondstoffen heeft geleverd aan de nazi-oorlogsmachine..Het zijn documenten die in 1998 door de Amerikaanse Eizenstatcommissie werden bovengespit...het leest als de betere spionageromans maar is helaas gebaseerd op ware feiten...
http://financialservices.house.gov/banking/6498eiz.htm

we hebben de passage over de ustachi en het Vaticaan in vetjes gezet:

TESTIMONY FOR UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE

STUART E. EIZENSTAT

HOUSE BANKING COMMITTEE
On the U.S. Government Supplementary Report on Nazi Assets

June 4, 1998

Mr. Chairman. I would like to thank the Committee for giving me the opportunity to discuss with you a subject that has captured the world’s attention due in some measure to the pioneering work of this Committee.

I particularly want to single out the efforts and the leadership of Chairman Leach and the Committee beginning with your first hearing on this issue in 1996. You have been a leader from the outset in raising the consciousness of America and the world on Holocaust assets issues. You exhibited leadership in convening a very useful hearing last June in the wake of our preliminary report with historians from many of the affected countries to comment on our findings. Your efforts continued with last February’s pathbreaking hearing in February which focused on art and insurance. And today’s hearing, with the gathering of such distinguished panelists, is yet another example of this Committee’s work to ensure that this complex and emotional issue receives both the proper attention and consideration by the U.S. Congress in an appropriately bipartisan fashion.

This supplementary report that we released this week, like our preliminary study completed in May 1997, reflects a solemn commitment by the United States to confront the largely hidden history of Holocaust-related assets after five decades of neglect. I would like to acknowledge the tireless work and dedication of the State Department Historian Dr. William Slany and my Senior Advisor Bennett Freeman in preparing this report. I would also like to acknowledge the work of the World Jewish Congress, the World Jewish Restitution Organization, the American Jewish Congress, the Jewish Agency, American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and Eli Rosenbaum and Dr. Barry White of the Justice Department.

Our preliminary study was prepared by Dr. Slany in cooperation with ten other agencies of the U.S. Government and released in May 1997.

Our most significant findings were the overall movement of looted gold flowing to and through Switzerland from Germany; the fact that the Swiss National Bank must have known that some portion of the gold it was receiving from the Reichsbank was looted from occupied countries; and that the gold received by the Swiss National Bank from the Reichsbank included some stolen from Holocaust victims, although there is no evidence that the Swiss National Bank knew this fact.

These findings were confirmed by the bold and probing gold report that Switzerland’s Bergier Commission presented initially at the London Nazi Gold Conference in December 1997 and now by its more conclusive report released on May 25, 1998.

SCOPE OF THIS STUDY

Before highlighting for you the major new substantive findings of the report, let me first explain the relationship between the new, supplementary report and the preliminary study we released last May. This supplemental study is the substantively appropriate follow-up to the first report. The preliminary report focused on how Nazi Germany financed its war effort using looted gold. Switzerland figured so prominently because our focus was on looted gold and the key role it played in the German war effort. This report focuses on the uses to which that looted gold was put – that is, the ability of the Nazis to use the Swiss francs they obtained in exchange for the gold they looted to purchase, in turn, critical war supplies from the other neutral countries necessary to sustain the war effort. In this way, by illuminating the trade as well as the financing side of the equation, our two reports together provide a comprehensive view of the important part the wartime neutrals cumulatively played in the structure of the German war economy.

Further research has allowed us to provide a more detailed analysis of the economic roles played by other wartime neutrals – Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and Turkey – and the factors that shaped those roles. We have focused on these countries’ trading links with both the Axis and the Allies, as well as on their handling of looted assets——especially gold. Let me begin by highlighting our findings in this respect.

NEUTRALS SUPPLYING GERMAN WAR EFFORT

This report makes clear that whatever their motivations, and however acceptable by the standards of the time for neutrals, the cumulative trade of the World War II European neutral countries helped to sustain the Nazi war effort by supplying key materials to Germany essential to their conduct of the War -- in many cases well past the point where, from the Allied perspective at the time, there was a genuine threat of German attack.

As you can see from Chart 1 (Appendix) on the Neutral Countries’ Supply of Germany’s Major Resources, Portugal and Spain together provided Germany with almost 100 percent of Germany’s wartime supply of vitally-needed wolfram, the essential mineral in processing tungsten for steel alloys used in machine tools and armaments, especially armor-piercing shells. The strategic significance of wolfram was not lost on the Portuguese. Prime Minister Salazar himself acknowledged in early 1944 that denying wolfram to Germany "would reduce her power of endurance, and the war would be accordingly shortened."

Sweden provided Germany’s wartime industry with a major portion -- as Chart 1 shows, in some war years up to 90-100 percent -- of its requisite iron ore (including a high proportion of the high-grade ore needed for the production of the specially hardened steel used in German weapons and armored vehicles) and ball-bearings.

Turkey conducted a robust commerce (in chart 1) with both sides that raised its gold reserves from 27 tons to 216 by the end of 1945. In 1943, for example, Turkey provided essentially 100 percent of German requirements. Chart 1 shows that in 1943 Turkey’s exports supplied Germany with up to 100 percent of its annual requirements. According to Hitler’s Armaments Minister Albert Speer, the German war machine would have ground to a halt without chromite ore. Indeed, Speer wrote in his memoirs that he told Hitler in November 1943: "Should supplies from Turkey be cut off, the stockpile of chromium is sufficient for only 5-6 months. The manufacture of planes, tanks, motor vehicles, tank shells, U-boats, almost the entire gamut of artillery would have to cease from one to three months after this deadline, since by then the reserves in the distribution channels would be used up."

Implicitly or explicitly, the neutrals resisted Allied economic diplomacy and expressed fear of German reprisal if their economic relations were curtailed. This invocation of force majeure by the neutrals could not be easily countered by the Allies in the early years of the War when their vulnerability was all too apparent. But the invincibility of the German war machine was belied during 1943 with a series of major defeats that foreshadowed the Allied victory. The neutral nations recognized the turn of the tide and the receding danger of German attack or reprisal, and began, at Allied demand, to curtail trade and other measures that supported the German war effort. By late 1943, the Allies were less willing to accept neutral claims of the threat of force majeure as a reason to justify their continuing economic interaction with the Nazi regime.

Chart 2 (appendix), which presents a Timeline of Trade, Belligerency and Postwar Gold and Asset Negotiations and Agreements between the Allies and the neutrals, summarizes the key information in our report about the international legal and economic relationships of the neutrals.

The first three columns summarize these major exports of the neutrals to Germany, the other contributions of the neutrals to the German war effort, and, in this third column, those major contributions of the neutrals to the allied war effort.

The next three columns in the timeline show, based on the information presented in the report, how the allies perceived the diminution of German military threat to the neutrals in the course of the war, how [in this next column] this is related to the significant concessions the neutrals eventually made to the allies, and [in the adjoining column] when the neutrals in fact finally ceased their exports to Germany. Another column indicates that two of the neutrals, Argentina and turkey, actually declared war on Germany in the closing months of the war.

The final four columns show the dates when the various neutrals began the gold restitution and assets negotiations with the allies, when they were completed, and when gold and assets were actually delivered to the allies. The details of the results of these negotiations are presented in this chart.

COMPLEXITY OF NEUTRALITY

The report also sheds light on the complexities of "neutrality" – the different forms that neutrality took in different countries for different reasons – in ways that should dispel any monolithic concept of neutrality during World War II. The wartime neutrals often faced similar pressures and counter-pressures but reacted to them in varied ways, reflecting their specific wartime circumstances, the attitudes of their leaders, and the more enduring features of their own economies and geography.

There was no such thing as a uniform or absolute neutrality during World War II. The ideological leaning of Franco’s regime in Spain was clear and unmistakable; Franco’s dispatch of the Blue Division to join the Wehrmacht at the Russian front underscores this pro-Axis tilt. So, too, leading members of the Argentine military regimes were also openly sympathetic to the Axis. Sweden’s permission for German troops to regularly transit its territory and to protect German shipping in the Baltic were hardly "neutral" acts; neither was Portugal’s granting access to the British to bases in the Azores, even though it was a welcome and important contribution to the Allied war effort.

Different factors shaped the "neutrality" of Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and Turkey, ranging from long-standing policies of avoiding entanglements in European wars to the fear of invasion and the desire to reap economic rewards. These interests, in turn, produced decisions and actions which were at various times both consistent and inconsistent with their claims of neutrality. These inconsistent decisions and actions were at times helpful to Nazi Germany and at other times helpful to the Allies. They were often based on their own strictly legal interpretations of what was permissible under existing international law, as distinct from moral considerations of what was right or wrong. All these seemingly inconsistent decisions and actions co-existed and contributed to the complex phenomenon of neutrality during World War II——a war which was in many ways different from previous wars because of the unprecedented scope of the assault on human values and the horrors of the Holocaust.

There are a number of questions that should be addressed today by all the nations involved in World War II, including the wartime neutrals, questions which can help them come to terms with their role in the War. For example, at what point during World War II did it become evident that Nazi aggression was not just another in an endless series of European wars, but was qualitatively different in its brutal treatment of civilians and its threat to basic human values? At what point did the threat of a Nazi invasion recede sufficiently so that with little risk, trade with Germany in critical commodities could have been sharply curtailed or stopped? If neutrality was defended during the War as a way of self-defense, why was there so little cooperation with the Allies after the War in returning looted Nazi assets which had come into the possession of the wartime neutrals or in liquidating German assets for the benefit of stateless refugees and the reconstruction of war-torn Europe? These are difficult questions to which there are no easy or certain answers, with or without the benefit of hindsight.

There appears to have been a clear preponderance of sympathy for the Allied cause in several of these countries, and significant elements of sympathy in the others.

Consistent with this mixed pattern of actions was the refuge offered by the neutral nations to more than 250,000 Jews fleeing the Holocaust. Acts of humanity and even heroism rose above the harshness or insensitivity of wartime refugee policies and reflected well on their governments and peoples:

  • An estimated 100,000 refugees, mostly Jews, fled through or into the Iberian peninsula. Spain allowed 20,000 to 30,000 refugees to cross the French border from the fall of France until the summer of 1942, and another 7,500 refugees entered Spain by the end of 1944. The Portuguese Government allowed Jewish organizations to relocate from occupied Europe to Lisbon during the War. During 1941 and 1942 the Portuguese Government allowed 5,000 refugees to pass through Portugal to the United States.
  • The Swedish Government provided refuge for about 7,000 Danish Jews who fled to the safety of Swedish shores. Sweden’s protection, spearheaded by the personal heroism of Raoul Wallenberg, was extended to 20,000 to 30,000 Jews who faced extermination in the last phase of the Holocaust.
  • Turkey, which had protected Jews since their expulsion from Spain in 1492, had, it is estimated, more than 100,000 Jewish refugees pass through its borders during the War.
  • Argentina received a large number of Jewish refugees between 1933 and 1945. Many of these 25,000 to 45,000 refugees reached Argentina before and during the War, more than any other country in the Western Hemisphere (including the United States).
  • Switzerland admitted over 50,000 Jewish refugees from 1933 until the end of the War, of whom some 30,000 remained and survived in Switzerland during the War.

NAZI GOLD

Now let me address the new findings in this report that bear on the issue of Nazi Gold as distinct from the broader role of the wartime neutrals that I have just highlighted.

We have arrived at new figures of looted gold. Our first report estimated that Switzerland received as much as $414 million in total (looted and non-looted) gold from Nazi Germany. These estimates were confirmed by the recently released Bergier Report which estimated that some $440 million in total gold went through Switzerland. These figures, taken together, now give us a higher, more definitive range on total gold that flowed through Switzerland.

One other new finding is presented as a separate annex prepared by the U.S. Justice Department’s Office of Special Investigations. New sources have come to light that provide additional information about the Melmer account at the Reichsbank, in which the SS deposited the gold and other valuables that it looted from individual citizens and from its victims at killing centers and concentration camps. These sources provide the most detailed data currently available for the value of the gold in the Melmer account and yield an estimate for the total value of this gold ($4.6 million in wartime value, $40.5 million in today’s gold values) that is markedly higher than previous estimates -- indeed, two times the Melmer estimates in the Bergier Report.

These new, more definitive figures are based in part on our assessment of the records of the DeGussa company and Reischbank microfilm found in Vienna. Of particular importance is the analysis of the postwar study by Albert Thoms, the head of the Reischbank’s Precious Metals Department, that details the Melmer Shipment of SS loot to the Reischbank. The Thoms’ study lists in gruesome detail in 29 columns the loot of victims under such headings as Gold Bars, gold and silver coins, (Purses, knives and forks, jewels, gold and diamond rings, watches, Dental Gold, broken gold, etc.).

If the analysis of the Thoms Report is correct, the total value that the Reischbank credited to the SS for the gold in its loot shipments was between $3.9 million and $5.4 million. The Justice Department historians make the conservative estimate for the gold in the loot shipment at $4.65 million. And this does not include the estimated $3.9 million in gold bullion and coins forwarded to the Reischbank as a result of Operation Reinhard, the Nazi program to exploit Jewish property and labor and murder millions of Jews in killing centers in eastern Poland.

This supplemental study further reveals that victim gold from the Melmer account was also included in gold that the Dresdner Bank and the Deutsche Bank -– both German commercial banks -- sold on the Turkish free market as part of a scheme to supply the Reichsbank with foreign currency, and to help Axis diplomats and agents finance their operations in Turkey. Some of the nearly $1 million in victim gold from the Melmer account obtained by Dresdner Bank and Deutsche Bank likely was part of the gold sold by those banks on the Turkish free market.

Nazi Germany financed a substantial portion of its war effort by paying for its wartime imports from the neutral nations in gold, much of it looted from occupied Europe and some of it stolen from the millions of victims of the Holocaust. Most of this looted gold was sent to the Swiss National Bank, which converted it into Swiss francs or deposited it in the accounts of other central banks.

In this trade, more than $300 million ($2.6 billion in today’s values) in Nazi gold reached Portugal, Spain, Sweden, and Turkey during the War. We arrived at this figure by adding up all the allied estimates of the gold the individual neutral countries received from Germany. Chart 3 (Appendix) on Allied assets and gold presents these estimates. Three-quarters of this amount was transferred from Germany through the Swiss National Bank, the principal gold trading center on the continent.

This flow of gold from Germany to the neutrals persisted through the War despite Allied warnings in January 1943 and February 1944 against accepting transfers of assets from Nazi Germany that had been looted from occupied countries. The European neutral countries continued to accept looted gold from the Reichsbank even after 1942 when it became clear that the Reichsbank had long since exhausted its own prewar gold reserve and was using the reserves of the looted central banks of the countries overrun by Nazi forces.

The Allies estimated that Germany financed its imports from Spain and Portugal with as much as $204 million in looted gold; more than $20 million in gold financed German trade with Sweden. Almost all of the gold that reached Turkey was traded through the free commercial market, not through the Turkish Government. Chart 3 also includes Allied estimates of looted gold that reached each neutral country.

Postwar Negotiations

The next new set of findings I want to highlight is the postwar negotiations that the United States, Britain, and France conducted with the wartime neutrals were protracted and failed to meet fully their original goals: restitution of the looted gold and the liquidation of German external assets to fund the reconstruction of postwar occupied Europe and to provide relief for Jewish and other non-repatriable refugees. This resulted from the intransigence of the neutrals after the War, conflicts within Allied ranks and between the State and Treasury Departments, as well as from competing priorities stemming from the onset of the Cold War. Less than $20 million ($14.9 million from Sweden alone) of the up to $240 million in looted gold acquired by the wartime neutrals, apart from Switzerland, was returned to the Tripartite Gold Commission to meet the claims from the central banks of 15 countries.

Chart 3 also summarizes the terms of the various accords that the allies and the neutral countries reached after the war regarding the restitution of gold and the liquidation of German external assets.

Ustasha Gold

Finally, the report deals with the question of Ustasha Gold. We became aware that the U.S. Government possessed important documents bearing on Ustasha gold in particular. The chapter raises questions about aspects of the Vatican’s record during and immediately after the War, to which answers may only exist in Vatican archives.

The Ustasha regime in Nazi Germany’s wartime puppet state of Croatia systematically and mercilessly robbed, murdered, or deported its Serbian, Sinti-Romany, and Jewish populations. Gold and other valuables of the victims became a part of the Ustasha treasury, which may have been as much as $80 million. Portions of this treasury appear to have been transferred to Switzerland in the last year of the War. Very little of it was accounted for in the postwar arrangements made by Yugoslavia with the Allies and Switzerland.

With the defeat in May 1945 of Hitler and his satellites, including puppet Croatia, the leaders of the Ustasha regime fled to Italy, where they found sanctuary at the pontifical College of San Girolamo in Rome. This College was most likely funded at least in part by the remnants of the Ustasha treasury, and may have operated with at least the tacit acquiescence of some Vatican officials. It helped fugitive Croatian war criminals escape to the Western Hemisphere in the early postwar years, and cooperated with the "rat line" being used by the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps after the War to assist the escape from Europe of anti-Communists including the Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie.

The record of the terrible legacy of the Ustasha assembled for this study is very incomplete. A full accounting should be made now to achieve a complete understanding of these issues. The opening of relevant archives in Croatia, Serbia, and the Vatican and cooperative international research will be essential in this effort.

OTHER HISTORICAL RESEARCH EFFORTS

These conclusions are based largely on the limited perspective of our almost exclusive reliance on U.S. documents (as well as captured Nazi documents in possession of the U.S.) which our interagency team has located, declassified, and evaluated. We hope that each country with a stake in these issues will intensify its efforts to examine its own record and confront its own history on its own terms and in its own way. It is essential that these studies move forward quickly so that a more comprehensive historical record of the looting and ultimate disposition of Holocaust-era assets can finally be completed.

I want to salute those countries who are already undertaking such efforts – not only Switzerland with its Bergier Commission – but also the commissions which have been established, in Argentina, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Turkey and Croatia - to address these issues which are the focus of our report. It is our hope that our two studies combined with these and other efforts underway in other countries will complete the historical record on these complex and painful issues. We share a common commitment -- not only to come to terms with the past, but to galvanize the urgent quest for justice for Holocaust victims and survivors.

U.S. HOLOCAUST ASSETS HISTORICAL COMMISSION

This second and final report that I will personally direct will not end our search for truth and our quest for justice. Under your leadership Chairman Leach, you have introduced and been the principal sponsor in the House of Representatives HR 3662 that would establish a U.S. Holocaust Assets Historical Commission – the counterpart to the bill introduced in the Senate by Senator D’Amato. We urge this Committee and the House to act as soon as possible on this legislation which has the strong support of the President.

This legislation was introduced in Congress on April 1 to create a Presidential Commission to examine the fate of Holocaust assets in the United States. The bill was introduced with bipartisan support and the strong backing of the Clinton Administration. The substantive mandate of the Commission will focus on two key areas: first, to conduct original research on the collection and disposition of Holocaust-era assets that came under the control of the U.S. Government after Hitler came to power in 1933 (assets such as gold, gems, bank accounts, financial instruments, and art works); and second, to review research being conducted more broadly in the public and private sectors. The Commission will be charged with issuing a final report to the President summarizing its findings and making recommendations no later than December 31, 1999. Establishing a strong Commission that can meet its mandate by this deadline will send a message that the United States Government is determined to address the fate of Holocaust assets here at home.

WASHINGTON CONFERENCE ON HOLOCAUST-ERA ASSETS

Mr. Chairman, we will also maintain our historical research efforts in other ways as well. In order to build on the landmark London Nazi Gold Conference held last December, and continue the international search for truth, the Department of State and the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum will co-host from November 30 to December 3 the Washington Conference on Holocaust-Era Assets. The objective will be to review our progress on the gold issue, to renew the drive to open archives and to share research on other assets, especially on artworks and insurance.

As at London, the Washington Conference will not be a forum for governmental decision-making. But we plan to use the conference and our preparations to work with a wide range of governments and NGO’s to help shape a non-binding international consensus on principles and processes for redressing injustices in these categories of assets. We hope that this consensus can give new impetus to the encouraging initiatives already underway in many countries and that this intergovernmental forum can be a catalyst for many other related efforts to address this great unfinished business of the twentieth century.

Mr. Chairman, your personal leadership and the activity of this Committee have played an important role in encouraging the international community to make significant progress in exploring issues of Holocaust-era assets. The hearing conducted in February, which shed much light on the art and insurance issues, was itself a landmark event in focusing long-overdue attention on these areas. I personally appreciate your contribution, and as we prepare for this important international conference, we want to work very closely with you, this Committee, and your staff, as well as with other interested Members of Congress.

Mr. Chairman, the examination of the complicated issues of Holocaust-era assets is a difficult undertaking. While archival research and international conferences have provided the framework for achieving a greater understanding of the fate of Holocaust assets, these issues have naturally had a vast public political impact beyond the academic and diplomatic arenas. They have come to command the attention of the world and touch the conscience of humanity.

Mr. Chairman, you and the Committee are an essential part of this historic effort. Thank you very much for your consideration. I will be happy to take your questions

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02-01-2010
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Dringende Oproep aan de Ollandse Kameraden Hangmatsocialisten,


Beste Kameraden,

Voor ons geen wereldrevolutie, geen revolutionair manifest, geen met bloed besmeurde vaan, geef ons zo een Unoxmuts!

WIJ WILLEN ONZE EIGEN UNOXMUTS!

Wie bezorgt er ons zulke kleinood dat wij hier met fierheid elke dag zullen dragen. Hier in Belgistan vinden we ze niet en net zoals de bananen ooit de Berlijnse muur hebben geslecht en gesloopt zal de Unoxmuts Brussel-Halle-Vilvoorde laten splitsen!
Een Unoxmuts dat willen we!





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Klik op de afbeelding om de link te volgen
Hup Olland! Hup de Unoxmutsjes! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uz36AOw2VI

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Klik hier om een link te hebben waarmee u dit artikel later terug kunt lezen.Met dank aan de Unoxmutsen
Klik op de afbeelding om de link te volgen en als heel speciale attentie voor onze talrijke Ollandse lezertjes beginnen we het nieuwe jaar 2010, na ons overzicht, met de Unoxnieuwjaarsduik die jullie allemaal kunnen vinden op:


http://www.nieuwjaarsduik.nl/#/section/duik/

Bedankt Unoxmutsen, jullie zien er geweldig uit!

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Klik op de afbeelding om de link te volgen We zijn dus in goeden doen en ongehavend in 2010 terecht gekomen, beste lezertjes, en we hopen van jullie het zelfde! Traditioneel worden jaarovergangen gebruikt om wat terug te blikkken en zo beter vooruit te kijken. meestal komt er van al de goede voornemens niet al te veel terecht maar traditie is er om nageleefd te worden en dus publiceren we wat cijfermateriaal over ons blogje. We kunnen nu immers al met enige trots en een zekere ijdelheid naar een verleden kijken. We zijn geen beginners meer en gelukkig nog geen vaste waarden. We doen nog steeds voluit onze zin en dat blijkt gelezen te worden. Is het uit sympathie en nieuwsgierigheid of uit zuivere antipathie met even veel nieuwsgierigheid, het zal ons worst wezen en uit de reacties kunnen we het niet afleiden want er zijn er zeer weinig. We zijn daar blij mee want als we het niveau van de meeste reacties zien op de ons bekende Vlaamse blogs of sites van Vlaamse kranten dan kunnen we slechts hopen dat het soort primitievelingen dat dergelijke nonsens schrijft ons bespaard blijft zoals het tot op vandaag is gelukt!

Welke cijfertjes hebben wij nu behaald want we willen onze lezertjes toch niet in het ongewisse laten en we zijn nu, op een paar dagen na, bijna twee volledige jaargangen bezig:


gelezen paginas totaal aantal lezers

2009 42.109 35.569
2008 22.040 14.927



Hoe zitten onze lezertjes verdeeld? (tot 100 lezers)

Land Percentage
België
50,9 % (15109)
Nederland
39,6 % (11738)
Verenigde Staten
1,8 % (545)
Frankrijk
1,5 % (431)
Duitsland
1,2 % (364)
Verenigd Koninkrijk (Groot-Brittannië)
0,8 % (235)
Zweden (Sverige)
0,3 % (101)


In totaal werden we vanuit 81 verschillende landen gelezen maar daarvan zullen de meesten wellicht toevalstreffers zijn geweest. Wat ons heel erg blij maakt is de erg mooie verdeling tussen Belgiê en Nederland waarmee we waarschijnlijk de meest Groot-Nederlandse politieke blog zijn op bloggen. En alhoewel we geen Groot-Nederlandse ideologie aanhangen zijn we daar dus ontzettend gelukkig mee. Zeker omdat dit al zo van bij het begin was en dat de percentuele verdeling bijna volledig identiek is gebleven gedurende de voorbije twee jaar.
Bedankt belgen en bedankt ollanders, ook bedankt yanks en fransen en duitsers en engelsen en dus ook enkele zweden!
We hopen julloie nog lang te mogen bedanken en in elk geval allemaal een zeer leuk 2010 toegewenst!

Wij zien het helemaal zitten om in 2010 verder te doen en misschien weer enkele nieuwe dingen uit te proberen. Jongens en meisjes met suggesties zijn welkom en medewerkertjes mogen zich aanmelden met hun eigen voorstellen. Wij gooien in 2010 alle ramen en vensters open!

Waar we ook zeer trots op zijn is het feit dat we gedurende het ofvergrote deel van het jaar op nummer één stonden bij de politieke blogs van bloggen:

Categorie Politiek

TOP 20
Kitokojungle
Krisvandijck
Tafelspringer
Argumenten
Bertblikt
Weylerweyler
Theotuurt
Derodevoorzitter
Willysegers
Ekeren_slp
Piessensalfons
Paulvanmiert
Lierpolitiek
Geertdessein
Doomst
Lopendezaken
Bertranddemiddeleer
Rozeleeuw
Patrick4genk
Vrijechristendemocratenwervik



We staan ook al een paar maanden ergens tussen de viftigste en de zeventigste plaats in de top 90 van Bloggen en dat als enige politieke blog. Dat vinden we ook niet slecht, al zeggen we het zelf! Dit is de situatie vandaag :

TOP 200
1 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Wrestling
2 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Treetje
3 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 6 (op schaal 1-9) Mediablog
4 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Rodeden
5 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 7 (op schaal 1-9) Guidoenyvette
6 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Polderrenners
7 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 6 (op schaal 1-9) Blogtips
8 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Mtblily
9 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Twelvepointsdouzepoi
10 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 5 (op schaal 1-9) Brandweerantwerpen
11 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 6 (op schaal 1-9) Medialand
12 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Hokalken
13 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Philippinenews
14 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 8 (op schaal 1-9) Jenszijnverhaal
15 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 5 (op schaal 1-9) Movie
16 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 5 (op schaal 1-9) Tlissewegenartje
17 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Snor
18 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 6 (op schaal 1-9) Deinze
19 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Nieuwjaarsbrievensis
20 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Medjugorje
21 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Zomersproeten
22 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 5 (op schaal 1-9) Mooiewagens
23 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Minnares
24 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Matthieumatton
25 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Hetlottedagboek
26 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Amiciditilrodabici
27 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 9 (op schaal 1-9) Hetseppedagboek
28 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Catan
29 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Sexyredfox
30 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Keukenrecepten
31 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Inanna
32 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Ella1997_cheats
33 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Levensgenieters
34 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Supclub35
35 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Kerstkaarten
36 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Runningdanny
37 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Tilloenk
38 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Dirkjogt
39 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Keukengeheim
40 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Meesterjurgenfanclub
41 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Delijnvanstijn
42 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Anubis4ever1
43 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 5 (op schaal 1-9) Motorrijder
44 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Vmd
45 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Plietsplets
46 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Joggerke
47 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Jopieradio
48 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Natalietijtgat
49 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Ortisi
50 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Radionieuws
51 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Mbn
52 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Accentfm
53 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Telebizzsite
54 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Naturistman
55 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Anneke
56 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Zeezenders
57 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Beautystatement
58 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Neroameee
59 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Vlaanderen
60 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 7 (op schaal 1-9) Voetbaltrainingzoals
61 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Pattayablog
62 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Barmsijspassie
63 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Anubislover
64 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Kitokojungle
65 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Kyranicks
66 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Gosupermodel
67 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Dekampioenen
68 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 4 (op schaal 1-9) Romantica
69 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 2 (op schaal 1-9) Corneel1996
70 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Jodenvervolging
71 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Vtm
72 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Bennyblog
73 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Snoopy50
74 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 5 (op schaal 1-9) Wimvermeer
75 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Noellavanoverloop
76 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Fictiereeksen
77 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Radiofan
78 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Whisperer
79 . Dit blog heeft populariteit 3 (op schaal 1-9) Pimpernellakakim


Voilà, nu weten jullie waar we ergens staan en wat wordt het dan voor 2010? Dat hangt van onze lezertjes af en dat zijn jullie! Wij zijn dus benieuwd!

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